Whaley Bridge shooting

CTID1988 said:
If you feel your life is in danger you should be allowed to defend yourself accordingly
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Didn't the last one centre on the fact the scrote was leaving the scene when shot meaning not self defence
 
It’ll come down to how the farmer explains what’s happened and whether that tallies in anyway with what the injured guy says.

Also, if, like Martin, he’s shot them in the back on their way out, he’ll get time.

Self defence vs proportion of reasonable action.
 
I remember the one a few years back where the elderly gentleman stabbed some thieving piece of shit to death for breaking into his home. Eventually he was cleared, but had to move because of fear of reprisals from the cunts family. They even put flowers where he had been killed.

The Martin case was just fucking terrible, as it seems is this. If you break into someone’s home expect the worst if you’re caught.
 
ganganvince said:
Didn't the last one centre on the fact the scrote was leaving the scene when shot meaning not self defence
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Pretty much.

Even for military personnel, you aren't allowed to shoot someone in the back whilst on guard duty (effectively, someone no longer posing a direct threat to life).

There is only really one way to avoid a murder conviction in this situation, and that is to issue a warning if possible, and only fire if you believe your life is in immediate danger and there is no other way to prevent an attack on you or others in the property. Give the perpetrator a chance to walk away.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Pretty much.

Even for military personnel, you aren't allowed to shoot someone in the back whilst on guard duty (effectively, someone no longer posing a direct threat to life).

There is only really one way to avoid a murder conviction in this situation, and that is to issue a warning if possible, and only fire if you believe your life is in immediate danger and there is no other way to prevent an attack on you or others in the property. Give the perpetrator a chance to walk away.
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I think in Martin’s case he was living alone in a remote farm. The fear would have drove him to do what he did. If he lived in a built up area with close by neighbours maybe it would have been different. By doing what he did he stopped a potential return of the thieving little twat, possibly with family in tow. He also prevented anyone else being a victim of his thieving little twat ways.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
I think in Martin’s case he was living alone in a remote farm. The fear would have drove him to do what he did. If he lived in a built up area with close by neighbours maybe it would have been different. By doing what he did he stopped a potential return of the thieving little twat, possibly with family in tow. He also prevented anyone else being a victim of his thieving little twat ways.
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He also committed manslaughter, however much sympathy one can have with his actions.
 
I watched a documentary on the Tony Martin case recently, funnily enough.

He was carrying an illegal firearm and was sat on his stairs waiting for the guys to come into the house. He then shot them twice in the hallway and then in the back as they were fleeing the scene.

I agree that people should have a right to defend themselves but IMO Tony Martin was very lucky to have got off the murder charge.

He was a mentally deranged dangerous old nutter with an illegal shotgun, not some cuddly grandad turned folk hero.

I also don't have much sympathy for the burglars either. Everyone involved in that incident was a complete fuckwit, that's my view on it.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
I watched a documentary on the Tony Martin case recently, funnily enough.

He was carrying an illegal firearm and was sat on his stairs waiting for the guys to come into the house. He then shot them twice in the hallway and then in the back as they were fleeing the scene.

I agree that people should have a right to defend themselves but IMO Tony Martin was very lucky to have got off the murder charge.

He was a mentally deranged dangerous old nutter with an illegal shotgun, not some cuddly grandad turned folk hero.

I also don't have much sympathy for the burglars either. Everyone involved in that incident was a complete fuckwit, that's my view on it.
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And the result is they never got to break into anyone’s home again. Simple.
 
My daughters know these lads.
They broke in the night before and apparently nicked 20k.
Went back the next day to nick his guns so they could Rob a farm not far away that has a big weed grow.
Only thing is they told every fucker they were going back.
The farmer was waiting shot one point blank in the face apparently.
But he's been charged with pre meditated murder.
He had been broken into 17 times in the last 2 years and told the police next time I will shoot them.
He's meant to be a really nice guy .
Little bastards got what they deserved
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
I watched a documentary on the Tony Martin case recently, funnily enough.

He was carrying an illegal firearm and was sat on his stairs waiting for the guys to come into the house. He then shot them twice in the hallway and then in the back as they were fleeing the scene.

I agree that people should have a right to defend themselves but IMO Tony Martin was very lucky to have got off the murder charge.

He was a mentally deranged dangerous old nutter with an illegal shotgun, not some cuddly grandad turned folk hero.

I also don't have much sympathy for the burglars either. Everyone involved in that incident was a complete fuckwit, that's my view on it.
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Caveaet Ruptor
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
It's not "simple" though is it.

There were no innocent parties on that day.
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It is. What is also simple is that if they didn’t choose to go and break into his house that night, they would be alive the next day, both of them that is, and one without serious injury.

Doing a bit it reading now, Martin claimed to have been burgled ten times prior, with the police doing very little. No way of proving that, just like it was only the prosecution who claimed he was lying in wait on the stairs. No way of knowing if that is true, however if the ten break ins were true would you blame anyone for being a little bit paranoid of what might happen each night?

I’m glad he did what he did. No break in, no shooting.
 
Trevor Morley's Tache said:
Pretty much.

Even for military personnel, you aren't allowed to shoot someone in the back whilst on guard duty (effectively, someone no longer posing a direct threat to life).

There is only really one way to avoid a murder conviction in this situation, and that is to issue a warning if possible, and only fire if you believe your life is in immediate danger and there is no other way to prevent an attack on you or others in the property. Give the perpetrator a chance to walk away.
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Can you shoot them in the arse?
 
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