PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[halfcenturyup]

Similarly, contrary to the Anti City loonies on the Web, time baring certainly exists in UK civil litigation.

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And unless the PL could find us guilty of a criminal act (i.e. false accounting) everything before 2016ish goes away. (It depends when the PL investigation started it could be later than that).
Probably, the worst case for many of the older charges is we could be found guilty of the offence but not punished because of the time bar. But I hold that many of the older charges were there to put us in a bad light as a perennial lieing and cheating organisation.

If something is time barred, you can't be found guilty.

Edit: Sorry, @Chris in London beat me to it.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

Wolves fans making money hand signs yesterday. They’d fucking love it if their club had the investment our club has had, and the trophies or club has won. That goes for all the away fans who keep on making the money hand signs. Love it! :-)

How long did Jack Hayward prop them up for?

 

[cheekybids]

Disagree, they took years to bring these charges then just over 12 months later they admit they were wrong.

No doubt both parties will work together on a final resolution but it is looking like we will be the one dictating EVERY detail.

I think it’s quite easy. All they have to say is there has been so much innuendo & stories written about City & complaints from rival clubs that we felt we had to investigate. We understand that City felt that they had been unfairly targeted & had resolved any doubt at CAS but due to allegations made public in the foreign press we felt duty bound to investigate further. We made a decision to leave no stone unturned & investigated the club as far back as 2008 & can categorically say that Manchester City have provided irrefutable evidence to all 115 allegations.

We would like to apologise to Manchester City as they UEFA & the premier league have been the victims of unfounded allegations & reputational damage & huge costs.

 

[M12Blue]

I think it’s quite easy. All they have to say is there has been so much innuendo & stories written about City & complaints from rival clubs that we felt we had to investigate. We understand that City felt that they had been unfairly targeted & had resolved any doubt at CAS but due to allegations made public in the foreign press we felt duty bound to investigate further. We made a decision to leave no stone unturned & investigated the club as far back as 2008 & can categorically say that Manchester City have provided irrefutable evidence to all 115 allegations.

We would like to apologise to Manchester City as they UEFA & the premier league have been the victims of unfounded allegations & reputational damage & huge costs.

Be a Carlsberg response that

 

[Keeper!]

I think it’s quite easy. All they have to say is there has been so much innuendo & stories written about City & complaints from rival clubs that we felt we had to investigate. We understand that City felt that they had been unfairly targeted & had resolved any doubt at CAS but due to allegations made public in the foreign press we felt duty bound to investigate further. We made a decision to leave no stone unturned & investigated the club as far back as 2008 & can categorically say that Manchester City have provided irrefutable evidence to all 115 allegations.

We would like to apologise to Manchester City as they UEFA & the premier league have been the victims of unfounded allegations & reputational damage & huge costs.

FFS that would be a dream scenario, like winning the treble again!

If Carlsberg did investigation scenarios!!

 

[burning blue soul]

You got to hit that electronic handbrake 115 times if it’s jumping. Nissan is a certified rag automobile. Lord pannick is the guy for this jojob.

I got an estimate from the KC at 2k per hour, the Nissan garage wants 3k an hour plus parts.
Time for Pannick to get his overalls on :)

 

[Coatigan]

To me these legal letters are proof positive that City have been pretty much cleared of any serious charge.
You don't send letters like this unless you're absolutely sure that you pretty much get all you want out of a legal case.
It would also explain why all the other internet loons as well as mediah organisations have suddenly gone silent.

Your logic aside, there is no proof whatsoever that there have been any warnings or letters sent, so there can't be proof that City have been cleares.

 

[DenisHasDoneIt]

How long did Jack Hayward prop them up for?

For even longer than he’d propped up Jeremy Thorpe. Allegedly.

And when it comes to dodgy politics and financial backing of football, Jack Hayward’s views weren’t probably ones Wolves fans would want to trumpet. But there’s still a statue of him at the Custard Bowl.

 

[ganganvince]

Watching the media in general, I feel there is a clear reduction in talk about our “allegations”. Instead, perhaps, they focus on safer issues such as the goalie’s big “mistake” or Haaland’s “annoyance” at being subbed.
Is it coincidence? Am i imagining it???

Especially when his annoyance was with the ref

 

[cheekybids]

For even longer than he’d propped up Jeremy Thorpe. Allegedly.

And when it comes to dodgy politics and financial backing of football, Jack Hayward’s views weren’t probably ones Wolves fans would want to trumpet. But there’s still a statue of him at the Custard Bowl.

Sounds like he owned them for sports washing…

 

[halfcenturyup]

Correct, it's a free kick anywhere else on the pitch and probably a booking.

That's the only way to look at it. If it happened in midfield, for example, the player arriving late and clattering into the player who played the ball would be penalised with a direct free-kick. In the box, it's a penalty. Surprised we got it, though.

 

[Prestwich_Blue]

There is no time bar

It's been discussed many times on here. Under UK law, which the PL have to follow, there is a 6-year limitation period unless there's evidence of fraud.

It's quite possible that the IC have looked at the evidence and ruled out the possibility of fraud. That would almost certainly mean that only transactions in the 2016/17 and 2017/18 financial years could be considered. That would completely rule out the Mancini contract and the Fordham image rights stuff.

The only thing they could consider is 2 years of the Etihad sponsorship, and they're going nowhere with that.

 

[ganganvince]

It's been discussed many times on here. Under UK law, which the PL have to follow, there is a 6-year limitation period unless there's evidence of fraud.

It's quite possible that the IC have looked at the evidence and ruled out the possibility of fraud. That would almost certainly mean that only transactions in the 2016/17 and 2017/18 financial years could be considered. That would completely rule out the Mancini contract and the Fordham image rights stuff.

The only thing they could consider is 2 years of the Etihad sponsorship, and that's going nowhere.

Made even less likely with Etihad going public and opening the books for scrutiny.
Edit you would also have to assume the non co operation charge would fail as you can't be charged with not co operating with an investigation that has no basis in law.

 

[Metal Biker]

Your logic aside, there is no proof whatsoever that there have been any warnings or letters sent, so there can't be proof that City have been cleares.

So where'd the (multiple) rumours come from?
Why the sudden and drastic change in tone surrounding the club (Goldbridges comments)?
Why no mention of "115" from the usual suspects this week (Spitty, Neville etc)?

The key issue isn't about whether City have been cleared or not, but clearly something HAS occured that has put City in a boistrous mood about the whole affair. Kind of odd that everything has occured within the space of a few days of each other.

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

Your logic aside, there is no proof whatsoever that there have been any warnings or letters sent, so there can't be proof that City have been cleares.

Letters went out very recently. That was after the verbal warnings.

Absolutely real, as is it being done from a position of strength.

 

[spiny]

The simple answer to the Question is, Would Salah/Liverpool, Rashford/United, Saka/Arsenal get the pen, Fucking right they would, ( It's Modern Day Football ) The Wolves player was late and put Gvardiol in danger of a injury

Also contact is not a pre requisite for putting a player in danger and giving a foul because a player is entitled to pull away to avoid potential injury. Who would argue the eventual contact on Gvardiol did not affect his ability to keep the ball down on target?

 

[SouthStandStander]

Letters went out very recently. That was after the verbal warnings.

Absolutely real, as is it being done from a position of strength.

What's your guess in terms of the coming weeks? Will this drag on for months or is it stand by your beds time?

 

[Coatigan]

Letters went out very recently. That was after the verbal warnings.

Absolutely real, as is it being done from a position of strength.

I believe you. But there is no 'proof' available or ou there that people are referring to, or anything official that can be claimed in the way it has been, as proof we have been cleared.

 

[Metal Biker]

Letters went out very recently. That was after the verbal warnings.

Absolutely real, as is it being done from a position of strength.

 

[Stoned Rose]

2:02 to about 2:30. He claims he hasn't but his chat partner takes the piss and states the actuality of it.
Classic misdirection to get round the keep quiet clause that was probably included in the letter.

His chat partner says fuck all of the sort mate.

That video proves absolutely nothing.