PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

I’ll hold my hands up. I gave him the benefit of my doubt. I was wrong. Those of you who called him a bullshitter and a liar were absolutely right. Fair play to you all.

After listening to the start of his podcast where he talks about the cease and desist letter he didn’t get, he’s even more of a liar and bullshitter than all of you could have imagined, believe it or not.

If you want to hear what he said, it’s here. If you don’t want to hear what he said, fair enough. Don’t click on the podcast link.

 
I stated an opinion and have responded to most of the people who've disagreed.

I'll post nothing more on the subject. After all I'm not @Alan Harper's Tash, sometimes you just gotta know when to stop.

I stand by my initial verdict on Stefan's abject performance on Talksport today.
sometimes you gotta know when to stop ?, you should of known to stop after the first very angry post, i honestly thought the lawyer had worked for someone who had sued you for everything, you've gone way over the top, are completely wrong ,i've just watched the video, all i saw was simon jordan doing what simon jordan does, i suspect most of the listeners couldn't understand most of it until the lawyer spoke because simon jordan speaks at 100 mph and over people

lawyer = @projectriver (sorry i had forgotten your poster name and real name for a moment)

p.s. why do i always look at @projectriver and think hes called projectdriver
 
You're overthinking it.

Most people will have come away with the impression that SJ 'won'.
What is 'winning'?

Do either of you think that when the discussion turned to City, Stefan did us any favours?
I do yes.

For one, he challenged the assertion the City are tying this up with endless resources, and delaying it by throwing money at it while poor uefa and the PL are working on a liverpool shoestring budget. The fact SJ was too busy rapidly saying lots of loosely similar words to take it in, is his own failing.
 
This is why you are wrong.

1. The majority of the discussion related to Jordan's view that City have more resources to throw at its legal team than the PL. That is a longhand way of saying City will win because they have the better lawyers.

2. That discussion is in itself a very long way from previous discussions, to the effect that City are/must be guilty. It is, in effect, Jordan setting himself up for the later argument that City only won because they had the best lawyers. Not even that City had a case to answer, nothing about what was said at CAS, nothing. That is definitely much more than a step in the right direction.

Do you see what I mean? The discussion has stopped being 'why City are guilty', it has started being 'why City are going to win.'

That's a huge PR win in itself.

3. There is always going to be an element, I'd imagine a pretty large element, of football's fan base that will regard us as being guilty whatever the outcome. Look at what happened at CAS, and how a resounding victory got twisted into 'they only won because the charges were all time-barred.' If you are expecting this section of the footballing world to adopt a fair and reasonable view of City and this case, you are waiting for hell to freeze over.

4. Jordan did make one excellent point, which is that City's case is not just about accounting breaches in a single year, it is about widescale allegations of fraud of the most serious nature, being aimed against some players with very very high reputations. Of course they are not going to skimp on legal fees when it comes to defending themselves. If nothing else, think of the cost to the club if they were relegated even to the Championship and neither had PL TV rights nor (down the line) Champions league income to rely on. The potential financial consequence could quite easily run into hundreds of millions of pounds. In what world are they going to NOT going to take on board the highest quality representation?

5. The reason I make this point is that during the discussion on TS, two issues got conflated: (a) whether it was 'fair' that City are able to throw more money at lawyers than the PL - as to which see 4 above - and (b) whether the outcome, assuming it goes City's way, reflects that and nothing more. These are two separate points which need to be seen separately. As to the first, as I've said, the whole club's reputation is on the line. Anyone bringing such serious charges against City should really have considered what response the club was likely to adopt if they did. It can't be said it was in any way unforeseeable that we would send in the heavyweights. As to the second, that's just uneducated rubbish. If the case is strong enough, the best most expensive team will not get you out of trouble, nor can the best most expensive team win a case that is doomed to fail. You spend what City have spent to ensure that there are no stones unturned, so ensure that you are able to consider all the possible arguments, and conduct proper reviews of all the evidence, which in a case like this will be mountainous. What City's team will have done is explain the very serious legal hurdles the PL need to overcome, and assess the evidence on which the PL intend to rely with a view to advising what the likely outcome is. If the PL have not done the same, more fool them for taking on a task without a proper appreciation of what is really involved.

If the PL have brought a knife to a gunfight, that's on them.
The PL have the No. 1 KC in sports law.
 
I mean it seems to be a rumour that people have pulled from thin air, much like the rumour the charges had fallen.

That said several of us have been saying since the beginning that *if* the PL offered a settlement to make this all go away, the club would almost certainly snap their arm off for it

Why would City settle to some sort of agreement that leaves doubt, Like I said if City had been found not guilty but failed to hand over the information then sorry it was wrong and the Premier League have still won and doubters were free to say whatever they want about being right,

City can not settle for an agreement unless it is a fully not guilty verdict and compensation awarded to City but will be sorted out behind closed doors with a non-disclosure
 
Great, it's in Khaldoon we trust.
Yep. I ignore all the noise and never argue with wallies. I rely on my trust in Khaldoon and Soriano who have both said that we have done nothing wrong since day one of the UEFA case. Until someone proves otherwise, our Chairman and CEO of CFG (now) will suffice for me. Trust the club and the execs, their record here is beyong reproach.
 
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I mean it seems to be a rumour that people have pulled from thin air, much like the rumour the charges had fallen.

That said several of us have been saying since the beginning that *if* the PL offered a settlement to make this all go away, the club would almost certainly snap their arm off for it
and how the fuck do you know that the club would snap their arms ?
 
Spot on. Stefan answered the “would City settle” as a lawyer would. There’s always a risk in litigation so a lawyer would advise a client to at least consider a settlement. If the client is determined to carry on and take the risk inherent in any hearing then so be it. Jordan’s ”why would they settle if they are innocent” jibe, whilst having superficial merit, ignores commercial reality. Lawyers prefer settlement to litigation in commercial disputes wherever possible.
Jordans fast talking jibes, including nation state, who has the most money to spend on lawyers, may gain points with talksport regulars but all that counts is the outcome.
Imho Stefan was professional, Jordan as rudely overbearing as ever, but again to what extent if any the debate influenced opinions is irrelevant. Even if (hopefully when) City are exonerated either wholly or partly, those who now think City are cheats will not alter that view.
Slight digression but Jason Beer, K.C. in the post office enquiry, used the phrase “word soup” to describe Angela de whatsits corporate speak.
Jordan is an expert at word soup.
People plead guilty when innocent to reduce the jeopardy. See Post office scandal.
 
Have you offered to be his mentor?
More likely a milk monitor. He`s acting like a kid who can`t get his own way.
Nice to see that he`s had a few "likes" but from the same 2 or 3 people. As for the "likes" from other fair minded Blue Mooners to other posters they must outweigh a ratio of 25/1 in favour of Stefan.
That speaks volumes.
 
I mean it seems to be a rumour that people have pulled from thin air, much like the rumour the charges had fallen.

That said several of us have been saying since the beginning that *if* the PL offered a settlement to make this all go away, the club would almost certainly snap their arm off for it
I fucking doubt it.
 
The use of the word "disagree" is amusing. Used in a similar way to the Brexit debates where they'd get some pub landlord to "disagree" with an economist with expertise in European economics and policy.

I can "disagree" with a nuclear physicist based on a few YouTube videos if I want. It wouldn't make our opinions equal.

Thanks for all your efforts in explaining these matters from an expert point of view Stefan. I very much enjoy your contributions to the 93:20 podcast and I have done for some time.
Yup. Keep on keeping on Stefan, you do a great job, not just for us but for serious debate versus ignorant rants.
 

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