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Everton have one of the best defensive records in the league and are hard to break down. Just depends on their motivation with being safe now.
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In January of this year I looked at the stats for various PL referee's, over all their matches in charge of leading PL clubs, over all seasons, with significant differences between officials.
The 2 referees with the worse stats for us were Anthony Taylor and Chris Kavanagh, the 2 referees appointed for our next 2 matches
"At City Pep has an average win % of 72%.
With Anthony Taylor, City have a very low, win % stats of 55%, (33 matches), whereas not surprisingly Utd have the highest win % of the top clubs 58%, (40 matches), Liverpool 56%, (33 matches), Chelsea, 46%, (37 matches), Spurs 56%, (41 matches) and Arsenal 56%, (43 matches).
Anthony Taylor Referee Statistics
Referee statistics and disciplinary statistics for matches officiated by Anthony Taylor.
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With Chris Kavanagh, we have a win percentage of 56%, (9 matches), Liverpool have a remarkable 81%, (16 matches), Chelsea also have a very high 75%, (12 matches), Spurs have 69%, (13 matches), Utd, 54% (12 matches) and Arsenal, 50%, (18 matches).
Considering our considerable success over many seasons this win % seems remarkably low!
Chris Kavanagh Referee Statistics
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www.whoscored.com
With Michael Oliver, we have figures more like you would expect: City 77%, (44 matches), Liverpool 47%, (53 matches), Chelsea 48%, (42 matches), Utd 41%, (41 matches),
Michael Oliver Referee Statistics
Referee statistics and disciplinary statistics for matches officiated by Michael Oliver.
www.whoscored.com
I had known about Anthony Taylor's obviously bias. Pep clearly knows it, and Taylor finds it hard not to smile when he gives decisions against us, like sending off Rodri!
However Kavanagh's stats, seem potentially concerning and as distorted as Taylor?!"
IMO we are being set up to drop points with 2 of the least favourable officials
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I agree it would be tough to relay on Everton on the final day with nothing to play for, but I certainly trust Everton’s defense right now over United’s.
We just have to hope United scores a few goals vs Arsenal on Sunday to not make GD completely out of the realm of possibility.
Let’s get one early on Saturday, and see if we can open the floodgates vs a Fulham team that may already be on the beach.
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Are there any refs that we have a lower win percentage than these 2?In January of this year I looked at the stats for various PL referee's, over all their matches in charge of leading PL clubs, over all seasons, with significant differences between officials.
The 2 referees with the worse stats for us were Anthony Taylor and Chris Kavanagh, the 2 referees appointed for our next 2 matches
"At City Pep has an average win % of 72%.
With Anthony Taylor, City have a very low, win % stats of 55%, (33 matches), whereas not surprisingly Utd have the highest win % of the top clubs 58%, (40 matches), Liverpool 56%, (33 matches), Chelsea, 46%, (37 matches), Spurs 56%, (41 matches) and Arsenal 56%, (43 matches).
Anthony Taylor Referee Statistics
Referee statistics and disciplinary statistics for matches officiated by Anthony Taylor.
With Chris Kavanagh, we have a win percentage of 56%, (9 matches), Liverpool have a remarkable 81%, (16 matches), Chelsea also have a very high 75%, (12 matches), Spurs have 69%, (13 matches), Utd, 54% (12 matches) and Arsenal, 50%, (18 matches).
Considering our considerable success over many seasons this win % seems remarkably low!
Chris Kavanagh Referee Statistics
Referee statistics and disciplinary statistics for matches officiated by Chris Kavanagh.
With Michael Oliver, we have figures more like you would expect: City 77%, (44 matches), Liverpool 47%, (53 matches), Chelsea 48%, (42 matches), Utd 41%, (41 matches),
Michael Oliver Referee Statistics
Referee statistics and disciplinary statistics for matches officiated by Michael Oliver.
I had known about Anthony Taylor's obviously bias. Pep clearly knows it, and Taylor finds it hard not to smile when he gives decisions against us, like sending off Rodri!
However Kavanagh's stats, seem potentially concerning and as distorted as Taylor?!"
IMO we are being set up to drop points with 2 of the least favourable officials
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im afraid of this feckin game....But everything its up to our hands,now.
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The footballisfixed bloke is pretty much saying the same in terms of us getting ref stitched up at Spurs....In January of this year I looked at the stats for various PL referee's, over all their matches in charge of leading PL clubs, over all seasons, with significant differences between officials.
The 2 referees with the worse stats for us were Anthony Taylor and Chris Kavanagh, the 2 referees appointed for our next 2 matches
"At City Pep has an average win % of 72%.
With Anthony Taylor, City have a very low, win % stats of 55%, (33 matches), whereas not surprisingly Utd have the highest win % of the top clubs 58%, (40 matches), Liverpool 56%, (33 matches), Chelsea, 46%, (37 matches), Spurs 56%, (41 matches) and Arsenal 56%, (43 matches).
Anthony Taylor Referee Statistics
Referee statistics and disciplinary statistics for matches officiated by Anthony Taylor.
With Chris Kavanagh, we have a win percentage of 56%, (9 matches), Liverpool have a remarkable 81%, (16 matches), Chelsea also have a very high 75%, (12 matches), Spurs have 69%, (13 matches), Utd, 54% (12 matches) and Arsenal, 50%, (18 matches).
Considering our considerable success over many seasons this win % seems remarkably low!
Chris Kavanagh Referee Statistics
Referee statistics and disciplinary statistics for matches officiated by Chris Kavanagh.
With Michael Oliver, we have figures more like you would expect: City 77%, (44 matches), Liverpool 47%, (53 matches), Chelsea 48%, (42 matches), Utd 41%, (41 matches),
Michael Oliver Referee Statistics
Referee statistics and disciplinary statistics for matches officiated by Michael Oliver.
I had known about Anthony Taylor's obviously bias. Pep clearly knows it, and Taylor finds it hard not to smile when he gives decisions against us, like sending off Rodri!
However Kavanagh's stats, seem potentially concerning and as distorted as Taylor?!"
IMO we are being set up to drop points with 2 of the least favourable officials
Those stats alone are proof enough, if needed of certain refs agendas against City.
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A dirty, time wasting, low block, defensive Dyche performance with Pitch Fork playing out of his skin might produce an interesting outcome.
Come on you toffs.
I've been telling people on here for years that Kavanagh is a liverpool fan. And people at City know too.In January of this year I looked at the stats for various PL referee's, over all their matches in charge of leading PL clubs, over all seasons, with significant differences between officials.
The 2 referees with the worse stats for us were Anthony Taylor and Chris Kavanagh, the 2 referees appointed for our next 2 matches
"At City Pep has an average win % of 72%.
With Anthony Taylor, City have a very low, win % stats of 55%, (33 matches), whereas not surprisingly Utd have the highest win % of the top clubs 58%, (40 matches), Liverpool 56%, (33 matches), Chelsea, 46%, (37 matches), Spurs 56%, (41 matches) and Arsenal 56%, (43 matches).
Anthony Taylor Referee Statistics
Referee statistics and disciplinary statistics for matches officiated by Anthony Taylor.
With Chris Kavanagh, we have a win percentage of 56%, (9 matches), Liverpool have a remarkable 81%, (16 matches), Chelsea also have a very high 75%, (12 matches), Spurs have 69%, (13 matches), Utd, 54% (12 matches) and Arsenal, 50%, (18 matches).
Considering our considerable success over many seasons this win % seems remarkably low!
Chris Kavanagh Referee Statistics
Referee statistics and disciplinary statistics for matches officiated by Chris Kavanagh.
With Michael Oliver, we have figures more like you would expect: City 77%, (44 matches), Liverpool 47%, (53 matches), Chelsea 48%, (42 matches), Utd 41%, (41 matches),
Michael Oliver Referee Statistics
Referee statistics and disciplinary statistics for matches officiated by Michael Oliver.
I had known about Anthony Taylor's obviously bias. Pep clearly knows it, and Taylor finds it hard not to smile when he gives decisions against us, like sending off Rodri!
However Kavanagh's stats, seem potentially concerning and as distorted as Taylor?!"
IMO we are being set up to drop points with 2 of the least favourable officials
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In January of this year I looked at the stats for various PL referee's, over all their matches in charge of leading PL clubs, over all seasons, with significant differences between officials.
The 2 referees with the worse stats for us were Anthony Taylor and Chris Kavanagh, the 2 referees appointed for our next 2 matches
"At City Pep has an average win % of 72%.
With Anthony Taylor, City have a very low, win % stats of 55%, (33 matches), whereas not surprisingly Utd have the highest win % of the top clubs 58%, (40 matches), Liverpool 56%, (33 matches), Chelsea, 46%, (37 matches), Spurs 56%, (41 matches) and Arsenal 56%, (43 matches).
Anthony Taylor Referee Statistics
Referee statistics and disciplinary statistics for matches officiated by Anthony Taylor.
With Chris Kavanagh, we have a win percentage of 56%, (9 matches), Liverpool have a remarkable 81%, (16 matches), Chelsea also have a very high 75%, (12 matches), Spurs have 69%, (13 matches), Utd, 54% (12 matches) and Arsenal, 50%, (18 matches).
Considering our considerable success over many seasons this win % seems remarkably low!
Chris Kavanagh Referee Statistics
Referee statistics and disciplinary statistics for matches officiated by Chris Kavanagh.
With Michael Oliver, we have figures more like you would expect: City 77%, (44 matches), Liverpool 47%, (53 matches), Chelsea 48%, (42 matches), Utd 41%, (41 matches),
Michael Oliver Referee Statistics
Referee statistics and disciplinary statistics for matches officiated by Michael Oliver.
I had known about Anthony Taylor's obviously bias. Pep clearly knows it, and Taylor finds it hard not to smile when he gives decisions against us, like sending off Rodri!
However Kavanagh's stats, seem potentially concerning and as distorted as Taylor?!"
IMO we are being set up to drop points with 2 of the least favourable officials
If you're looking for an issue you'll find one. Oliver looks like a blatant City fan based on those stats!
Your stats on Kavanagh aren't correct either. We've won 6 out of 10 (6 out of 9 in the league).
If a ref does the bigger games our record isn't going to be as good.
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We need and will ignore goal difference, the dips tried pushing to close that in us at Palace.....the rest is history.
Win probably by a couple/three of goals and ideally kill the game before the spurs cup final midweek.
I know him personally from being involved in Manchester FA over recent years - he is definitely a Liverpool fan despite growing up in Droylsden
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Forget about goal difference - there’s no chance. We’re away from home against a decent team and need to respect that. So winning the game is the be all and end all
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Correct no chance now of catching up that goal difference
Agreed, you guys have the points difference advantage! Doesn't matter if we score 10 at the Swamp if you win all 3 of your matches!
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It's too late for goal difference to come into play for us. We've closed the gap but it's still too much to overturn at this stage, particularly as Arsenal play the rags who have conceded more shots on their goal than any other team in the league this calendar year.
Ultimately, when Arsenal came to our place and got a point we were 3pts behind the dippers and 1pt behind Arsenal with 9 to play. We've won 6 in a row and their loss to Villa has opened the door for us. This is our joint best run of the season.
Beat Fulham and it does apply pressure to Arsenal for about 24hrs. It's our last chance to do so, and we've got to take it.
I'll worry about Spurs when we've beaten Fulham and when the final whistle blows at the swamp with an Arsenal victory. It's very rare for title races to go down to the final game so I'm not getting ahead of myself.
Ultimately, when Arsenal came to our place and got a point we were 3pts behind the dippers and 1pt behind Arsenal with 9 to play. We've won 6 in a row and their loss to Villa has opened the door for us. This is our joint best run of the season.
Beat Fulham and it does apply pressure to Arsenal for about 24hrs. It's our last chance to do so, and we've got to take it.
I'll worry about Spurs when we've beaten Fulham and when the final whistle blows at the swamp with an Arsenal victory. It's very rare for title races to go down to the final game so I'm not getting ahead of myself.
Forget about GD.
It would only do your head in.
Carol Vorderman may be interested in it but we can only take it one game at a time
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As I said those figures were correct in January, the matches played between now and then has given slightly different percentages.
City's win % with Taylor has actually go down further to 52.9%, while Utd have still the highest win % in the PL under Taylor with 56.1%.
Since the City sample size was smaller with Kavanagh, (10 matches), our win % has increased to 60% because of one win since then, but Kavanagh has only been officiating in the PL since 2017, entirely in the Pep era, and our win % in this time is 72.6%.
Kavanagh's win % for Liverpool is 72.2% (18 matches) although Klopp's overall win % is only 60.9% with Liverpool in the PL.
The stats certainly back up the assertions that Kavanagh is indeed a Liverpool fan and Taylor a United fan, whether subconscious or not? both have the lowest and significantly abnormal win % for City.
Oliver's win % are the closest to the overall win % of the club's involved, it clearly indicates of those 3 he is the fairest. (Although from his body language I have always considered he didn’t like us).
The stats are over the referee's entire PL history, all seasons, and they haven't had 'bigger games' throughout this time.
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I have not come across any!
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Fair enough, and apologies for digging you out as I appreciate some evidence at least rather than the usual "he's corrupt" without anything backing it up.
Obviously Pep's win rate isn't as high against the top teams in the division. So the referees in charge of those games will have lower statistics too. But I'm sure on some marginal calls they can't help but go with their allegiance.
I'm firmly of the opinion you make your own luck though, and we just can't give them the chance to get involved! We've won the title three years in a row so whatever they're doing doesn't make much difference. Maybe they've been saving it up for these final games?!
Taking the games we haven't won with Kavanagh in charge - a 2-2 at St James, a 0-0 at the swamp and the 1-1 at home with the dippers this season. The disallowed goal for Akanji stands out. But VAR didn't step in, and frankly we've seen a lot of inconsistency around those this year. We got the goal at Spurs, Arsenal's whole set piece routine is to hassle the keeper, and we saw the rags have one ruled out for fuck all frankly against Palace.
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