Nothing we can do about it football tribalism works that way, are all LFC fans murdering thrives? Are all United fans plastics from the Home Counties? We know they are not but it does not stop other fans including us saying it, it just needs removing from the media discourse once we are found innocent100% the other fans will say we “got off”, bribed/paid our way out of it and everything is tainted.
They tell me we got off CAS cos so much was time barred. I think they have all been brain washed and pool fans in particular so full of anguish and pain they absolutely hate us
I think what people forget is that they cant just go you're guilty here is your punishment, they have to say why they have come to a certain verdict and what evidence they had available to them to allow them to reach that verdict.They can be under huge pressure but if the evidence is not there there is no case to answer, remember some of what they are accusing the club of is systematic fraud, a very serious charge that will require serious evidence, I accept that burden of proof is not the same as a criminal case (and this is a tribunal not a court) but it will require incontrovertible proof
If generated by AI it is unfortunately ilikely to be a true representation of media reporting. Obviously it is biased and untruthful in places.surely one of the key questions should be “how does this get approved by the duty editor?”
I think what people forget is that they cant just go you're guilty here is your punishment, they have to say why they have come to a certain verdict and what evidence they had available to them to allow them to reach that verdict.
Look how the Beeb reported Brexit, biasedUntil you consider the replacement would be commercially motivated & we’ve seen how impartial they are.
If they are not out to get us why has the PL gone back 15 years into our accounts looking at things like image rights, consultancy fees, sponsor deals (all perfectly legal)? We were cleared by CAS but they have not done this with any other clubs, many of whom have failed FFP on multiple occasions. We have not refused to co-operate with the PL (we did that with CAS for sound reasons).I genuinely don't think the Prem are out to "get" us.
In my opinion, the PL have found some kind of smoke regarding the things named (Mancini, Etisalat, player wages etc) and they've rightfully done their due diligence.
However the club refused to cooperate with any investigation. Therefore the PL has reason to believe we're cheating and has no proof that we aren't.
There is no way in hell the businessmen running the club would let it go this far of they didn't have the evidence they needed to exonerate us. If we get proved guilty of everything, it absolutely destroys the clubs standing in football. And I mean actual football, not dickheads who live on Twitter or spend 8 hours a day in front of their podcasting equipment.
I believe we'll take a heavy fine for the non-cooperation and the club are prepared for that as collateral damage.
The PL let it stew too long from the announcement and we're going to let them take the fall for that.
And that's why I don't think the club will take "a hit" for any form of non-cooperation.They can be under huge pressure but if the evidence is not there there is no case to answer, remember some of what they are accusing the club of is systematic fraud, a very serious charge that will require serious evidence, I accept that burden of proof is not the same as a criminal case (and this is a tribunal not a court) but it will require incontrovertible proof
Was he ever pulled up on his "one trophy at this club is worth five at another" quote? I think more than one or two among us would have had stomach pains from the uncontrollable belly laughingTwo downsides of Klopp leaving is that they might not bother asking him for his opinion when the not guilty decision is published (remember his "a bad day for football" when CAS cleared us?) The other downside is not seeing him even more broken than he appears now by Pep.
Was he ever pulled up on his "a bad day..." comment?
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even if it's as wide of the mark as a Darwin Nunez goal attempt.I genuinely don't think the Prem are out to "get" us.
In my opinion, the PL have found some kind of smoke regarding the things named (Mancini, Etisalat, player wages etc) and they've rightfully done their due diligence.
However the club refused to cooperate with any investigation. Therefore the PL has reason to believe we're cheating and has no proof that we aren't.
There is no way in hell the businessmen running the club would let it go this far of they didn't have the evidence they needed to exonerate us. If we get proved guilty of everything, it absolutely destroys the clubs standing in football. And I mean actual football, not dickheads who live on Twitter or spend 8 hours a day in front of their podcasting equipment.
I believe we'll take a heavy fine for the non-cooperation and the club are prepared for that as collateral damage.
The PL let it stew too long from the announcement and we're going to let them take the fall for that.
I genuinely don't think the Prem are out to "get" us.
In my opinion, the PL have found some kind of smoke regarding the things named (Mancini, Etisalat, player wages etc) and they've rightfully done their due diligence.
However the club refused to cooperate with any investigation. Therefore the PL has reason to believe we're cheating and has no proof that we aren't.
There is no way in hell the businessmen running the club would let it go this far of they didn't have the evidence they needed to exonerate us. If we get proved guilty of everything, it absolutely destroys the clubs standing in football. And I mean actual football, not dickheads who live on Twitter or spend 8 hours a day in front of their podcasting equipment.
I believe we'll take a heavy fine for the non-cooperation and the club are prepared for that as collateral damage.
The PL let it stew too long from the announcement and we're going to let them take the fall for that.
This is why I don't understand what the PL is doing. CAS was unequivocal about the emails not being enough evidence and City provided the follow ups that proved their innocence or CAS would have ruled for UEFA. So the PL reacts to this by bringing a massive fraud case against City and doesn't appear to have any more evidence than UEFA did. Mind-boggling and seems destined for massive failure unless the commission is inclined to rule against City.
A couple of additional points, all imho:
The club says it has co-operated, but the PL says the club hasn't. So, clearly there is a difference between what the PL wanted and what the club provided. I am tending to go with the club that, after the court decision, they provided everything they had to. That implies to me that they didn't provide all the third party evidence that scuppered the UEFA case (because the PL has no right to require information from third parties - note the PL changed the rule on providing third party information during the investigation), leaving the PL in a quandary. Do they close the investigation due to a lack of evidence, or continue knowing (from CAS) the sort of counter-evidence that the club will provide to the panel.
They choose to continue. Why? Who knows. Pressure to drag the process out? Sheer cussedness? A professional responsibility to get the bottom of everything.
I have said before. If this is what has happened, the club has played a blinder and the PL has no winning strategy.
Perfectly stated. The club has done what they believe is required and doesn't see fit to do anything else, and is perfectly happy to let it play out. If your opponent is going to defeat themselves, why bother making the effort?A couple of additional points, all imho:
The club says it has co-operated, but the PL says the club hasn't. So, clearly there is a difference between what the PL wanted and what the club provided. I am tending to go with the club that, after the court decision, they provided everything they had to. That implies to me that they didn't provide all the third party evidence that scuppered the UEFA case (because the PL has no right to require information from third parties - note the PL changed the rule on providing third party information during the investigation), leaving the PL in a quandary. Do they close the investigation due to a lack of evidence, or continue knowing (from CAS) the sort of counter-evidence that the club will provide to the panel.
They choose to continue. Why? Who knows. Pressure to drag the process out? Sheer cussedness? A professional responsibility to get the bottom of everything?
I have said before. If this is what has happened, the club has played a blinder and the PL has no winning strategy.
Why would we deserve what he get if it’s a stitch up
Everyone is entitled to their opinion. Even if it's as wide of the mark as a Darwin Nunez goal attempt.
Yeah, the people who think there is a secret underground cartel of all the other big clubs and the PL collaborating together to plot our downfall are the rational ones.
Well you can add senior executives at City to that group.Yeah, the people who think there is a secret underground cartel of all the other big clubs and the PL collaborating together to plot our downfall are the rational ones.
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In my opinion, the PL have found some kind of smoke regarding the things named (Mancini, Etisalat, player wages etc) and they've rightfully done their due diligence.
However the club refused to cooperate with any investigation. Therefore the PL has reason to believe we're cheating and has no proof that we aren't.
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Yeah, the people who think there is a secret underground cartel of all the other big clubs and the PL collaborating together to plot our downfall are the rational ones.
Yes you do I've seen youThey also have no proof that i don't spend my spare time hunting down Nazi sympathizers and raping them with an elephants cock, should i be worried about impending charges?
just for clarity I don't but i wouldn't say that there is an overwhelming body of evidence to show that
Yes you do I've seen you