PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Norbiton]

Right - unless the IC has talked to this person directly, before they've even had the hearing, then we should ignore it. Doesn't mean we won't be cleared, just that this person wouldn't know and would be highly unlikely the IC themselves even know how they'll rule at this point.

You seem to be assuming nothing happens before the IC hearing. Both sides will have submitted evidence and it’s not impossible that the Premier League lawyers, having seen City’s evidence, are advising that the charges are highly unlikely to be upheld. And that this is known within the club

 

[KS55]

Last year I remember Tolmie saying with certainty that Erling was coming to City. There were those who believed him and those who most certainly did not and were keen to make sure everyone knew it. Gradually Tolmie explained that he knew this not because of something he'd heard but because of something he had seen. Some time after Erling had signed he explained that he had seen forms concerning his medical insurance. This tells us that Tolmie is not an animated ventriloquist's dummy who simply repeats willy nilly what he hears but someone with contacts who listens and then evaluates it as evidence. This tweet is very definite, Tolmie is very sure and even though he hasn't identified the source we all know Tolmie well enough to know that we would be very wise to take it very seriously. I am certain one of the first things Tolmie has asked is if his source(s) is/are in a position to know or express a valid opinion and he must be satisfied on this point. Does experience show their opinion to be an informed and trustworthy one? If Tolmie is satisfied that the source is both credible and reliable. That doesn't mean that what Tolmie says will inevitably come to pass but it is to be taken seriously and is very encouraging. From me, and many others, thank you Tolmiw.

Tolmie knows his sources and would have been careful to assess info on such a delicate and important matter. No guarantee but….

 

[ayrshire_blue]

Can someone tell me in here on how in the hell bookies chances will somehow influence our cases whether we going to cleared or not?

Bookies will initially announce their prices for teams to be relegated, as they do every season as standard. City would usually be the least favourites to go down and subsequently be placed at the largest odds possible, maybe along with Liverpool and Arsenal. Due to the hearing taking place in Autumn, one outcome possibly being enforced relegation, they are in a bit of a conundrum because they don't want to place the odds too high incase people bet on it at that price and the club are relegated which forces them to pay out loads of money.

They have shortened their odds accordingly but nothing like to odds which would suggest they have any information on a likely outcome whatsoever. We're still placed as rank outsiders to be relegated but they have covered their arse to some extent, possibly deterring some punters from betting us because the odds make it no longer worthwhile.

From here, the only way odds may be an indication is if we're suddenly backed in to one of the strong favourites to be relegated and our price shortens dramatically. With the lack of leaks thus far I don't see anything happening with the odds until after the hearing.

TL;DR don't pay them much attention, it's a story out of nothing.

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

Tolmie posts in good faith & I'm happy with that. I never believe a transfer is done until they're holding a shirt & although this is good news, I'll wait until it's official before popping the champagne corks

Just for the avoidance of doubt, I wasn’t digging Tolmie out there. I look forward to his posts.

 

[City_In_Chicago]

You seem to be assuming nothing happens before the IC hearing. Both sides will have submitted evidence and it’s not impossible that the Premier League lawyers, having seen City’s evidence, are advising that the charges are highly unlikely to be upheld. And that this is known within the club

Of course anything is possible, but I don't see why it would be in the PL's interest to drop the charges before a hearing. Remember, they WANT to nail us (which is why they created these "FFP" rules in the first place). Why not just hope for the best at the hearing?

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

I’ve never heard of the **** so guess I’m lucky.

Last seen calling us vicious rats. An utter constable and a face you’d never tire of punching. We’re all still waiting for the apology he promised to give if we were exonerated by CAS, as well. To the surprise of no-one he failed to deliver

 

[christopp]

Still don’t get who Tolmie is lol he said anything new?

 

[Exeter Blue I am here]

He’s got previous as well…….

 

[pudge]

Still don’t get who Tolmie is lol he said anything new?

At first he was just a computer program that Ric devised to drive more traffic to the site with transfer gossip but then he became sentient

 

[manimanc]

It's not about trusting me, it's thinking about how this itk poster could make this claim at all, with perfect insight as to how the IC will rule, then claiming zero ambiguity will follow. He could be right, but I haven't seen an explanation as to how he could be.

I'll just say that Tolmie isn't one for attention seeking, isn't one for drama and isn't after likes and all the fame.
Personally I can say from 1st hand experience that he isn't a bluffer and certainly isn't a bullshitter.

He knows people. He even got me an "in" at City for something years ago which I'm eternally grateful for. It isn't for everyone what he says but what he does say has truth running through it.

Of course he can't tell us where he gets his info from as that drops folk in it and that exposes people.

 

[jrb]

 

[halfcenturyup]

At first he was just a computer program that Ric devised to drive more traffic to the site with transfer gossip but then he became sentient

You mean he smells nice?

 

[Rory Bluelow]

You seem to be assuming nothing happens before the IC hearing. Both sides will have submitted evidence and it’s not impossible that the Premier League lawyers, having seen City’s evidence, are advising that the charges are highly unlikely to be upheld. And that this is known within the club

It’s quite possible that negotiations around HoT for a Settlement Agreement are taking place at this moment. Hammering out detailed heads of terms could easily take weeks perhaps months. It’s perfectly credible that a small number of people at City and their advisors have a good grip on the substance of the discussions. Only opinion of course but possible. I absolutely trust Tolmie’s integrity on this one - it isn't like a player agreeing transfer terms with three different clubs including City and then deciding to go elsewhere.

 

[Eoiyflem]

Can someone tell me in here on how in the hell bookies chances will somehow influence our cases whether we going to cleared or not?

The bookies don't influence anything.

The reduced odds are simply to stop people putting money on us at 3000/1 when the case is ongoing just in case we are found guilty and relegation is imposed, as I likely as that is. It's called covering your bets

 

[Colin Bell (genuine name)]

Jordan is just taking that line because rumours emerged about a settlement before Steffan went on TS and his comments were that in the corporate world people will settle if it gets the job done quickly and effectively.

I struggle to see how we successfully argue the non-cooperation charge. At CAS we presented evidence of financially sensitive information being leaked to the NY Times as our justification for closing shop. But CAS, whilst concerned, still fined us because the whole system falls apart if clubs aren't cooperating. We undoubtedly believe that our financials are robust and we've given the PL everything, but if they've requested specific documents and we haven't presented them then we haven't cooperated. We'll argue there was no need to, but again I think it's the fact the system relies on clubs cooperating so we'll get a fine as punishment.

That's fine (pun intended), as long as the main charges are dropped and it's categorically stated that whilst we've been fined for non-cooperation we did submit all requested evidence that was available and it has led the PL to drop the wider charges.

This time around we need to ensure that there's no confusion over non-cooperation and guilt, which is what Jordan and other cunts got so wrong with the CAS verdict. We didn't cooperate initially but then submitted to CAS everything that was required for the main charges to be dropped. That was a City win.

I think we can successfully argue the non co-operation allegations precisely because of CAS.

My understanding is that CAS were annoyed with City because had City provided the evidence to UEFA that they presented at CAS then they believed UEFA would have no option but to find that there was no evidence of their allegations.

The Premier League had access to the full CAS report and the evidence provided by City.

Unless The Premier League have new evidence that they could make specific requests of City then all they have been doing is fishing. In my opinion, but I might be talking bollocks.

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

You seem to be assuming nothing happens before the IC hearing. Both sides will have submitted evidence and it’s not impossible that the Premier League lawyers, having seen City’s evidence, are advising that the charges are highly unlikely to be upheld. And that this is known within the club

This is the key point. The vast majority of these cases are settled before the hearing because evidence is disclosed in advance to the parties involved. Both sets of lawyers will almost certainly have a clear idea of the likely outcome by now.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

Last seen calling us vicious rats. An utter constable and a face you’d never tire of punching. We’re all still waiting for the apology he promised to give if we were exonerated by CAS, as well. To the surprise of no-one he failed to deliver

Just look at his rat like face.

Not the sort to be trusted !!

 

[NowInMilnrow]

The clear and obvious comeback from the hosts of the thick,uniformed,or just downright biased will be to claim bribery, government interference or deeper pockets for lawyers.

This isn't going to just all disappear with a not guilty verdict,the club,like it or not,will have some sort of tarnish attached for years.

One thing that we thought would hinder, but would then help us is that the head of the Premier League's independent judicial panel, Murray Rosen KC, is an Arsenal season ticket holder!

 

[Eoiyflem]

Blabbermouth Jordan with an interesting new take on the charges on TalkShite

Called out the number 115 as bullshit and stated it's really 4 or 5 and of that 4 or 5 only 2 matter in any material way. He did say he thinks city have a case to answer (his prerogative) but I found the fact that he was at pains to all of a sudden change tact from sensationalist 115 to 2...

Yes, I know he's a **** but I think this highlights the significant calming of the rhetoric from some camps in the MSM

 

[GaudinoMotors]

I never trust any poster who has been here 10 years with 47 posts and suddenly has a lot to say.

Have to hand it him - a decent sleeper cell effort.