PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[petrusha]

If the worst came to the worst, is the process:

Section W Disciplinary Panel > Section W Appeals Panel > Section Y Tribunal > High Court.

Of course, there must be grounds at each stage, but is that it, however unlikely it would be? (I get the point about the potential for this process keeping the panels "honest" even if we think that won't be necessary).

I think that's how it would go, yes. In theory, we might be able to apply to the court after the first panel's ruling, but unless we could show somehow that the process was fatally flawed and should simply be discontinued (and that's a very high bar), the court would probably just refer the matter to the panel to be reconsidered. So it would be pretty pointless, I think, to do anything other than go through all stages and then challenge the final award if, say, we thought the PL's interference had compromised the proceedings throughout.

It's obviously a rather unlikely turn of events. However, I raised it just because some people fear a stitch up, and it's worth noting that there is a legal safeguard. I still expect the panel to do a proper and professional job.

 

[NowInMilnrow]

Bookies will initially announce their prices for teams to be relegated, as they do every season as standard. City would usually be the least favourites to go down and subsequently be placed at the largest odds possible, maybe along with Liverpool and Arsenal. Due to the hearing taking place in Autumn, one outcome possibly being enforced relegation, they are in a bit of a conundrum because they don't want to place the odds too high incase people bet on it at that price and the club are relegated which forces them to pay out loads of money.

They have shortened their odds accordingly but nothing like to odds which would suggest they have any information on a likely outcome whatsoever. We're still placed as rank outsiders to be relegated but they have covered their arse to some extent, possibly deterring some punters from betting us because the odds make it no longer worthwhile.

From here, the only way odds may be an indication is if we're suddenly backed in to one of the strong favourites to be relegated and our price shortens dramatically. With the lack of leaks thus far I don't see anything happening with the odds until after the hearing.

TL;DR don't pay them much attention, it's a story out of nothing.

Exactly. Basically they think (not that they have any great amount of information to go on, but that's fairly standard for the betting industry), that there's less than a 4% chance of us being found guilty and then getting relegated as punishment.

 

[Mr Ed (The Stables)]

One thing that we thought would hinder, but would then help us is that the head of the Premier League's independent judicial panel, Murray Rosen KC, is an Arsenal season ticket holder!

I thought we objected to Murray Rosen not because he is an Arsenal fan, as is Pannick defending us, the objection was that he is employed by the Premier League and as such maybe he can't be fully independant. Obviously I may have got this wrong and I'm very happy to be corrected, as there's so much been written on this.

 

[NowInMilnrow]

I thought we objected to Murray Rosen not because he is an Arsenal fan, as is Pannick defending us, the objection was that he is employed by the Premier League and as such maybe he can't be fully independant. Obviously I may have got this wrong and I'm very happy to be corrected, as there's so much been written on this.

Quite possibly, yes. But again, that would make the argument that the panel were corrupted by us look more ridiculous also.

 

[Palerider]

Exactly. Basically they think (not that they have any great amount of information to go on, but that's fairly standard for the betting industry), that there's less than a 4% chance of us being found guilty and then getting relegated as punishment.

That's my reading of it too. Less than 4% chance of getting relegated by a business that lives or dies on being right.

 

[silva_is_gold]

Just a thought.
If City were in the business of paying people off, would it not have made sense to do it 4 years ago and saved ourselves all this mither?

Just a thought.

Stated this many times to the red shitesters!

 

[malg]

I believe this person, simple as...

I was disappointed. He could have, at the very least, added some YouTube shite from the 70s/80s.

 

[Boney]

I never trust any poster who has been here 10 years with 47 posts and suddenly has a lot to say.

Why

 

[Academica]

I'll just say that Tolmie isn't one for attention seeking, isn't one for drama and isn't after likes and all the fame.
Personally I can say from 1st hand experience that he isn't a bluffer and certainly isn't a bullshitter.

He knows people. He even got me an "in" at City for something years ago which I'm eternally grateful for. It isn't for everyone what he says but what he does say has truth running through it.

Of course he can't tell us where he gets his info from as that drops folk in it and that exposes people.

To be fair he does seem to like the attention he gets on twitter.

 

[kismet]

I'll just say that Tolmie isn't one for attention seeking, isn't one for drama and isn't after likes and all the fame.
Personally I can say from 1st hand experience that he isn't a bluffer and certainly isn't a bullshitter.

He knows people. He even got me an "in" at City for something years ago which I'm eternally grateful for. It isn't for everyone what he says but what he does say has truth running through it.

Of course he can't tell us where he gets his info from as that drops folk in it and that exposes people.

this is spot on

 

[Aguerooooooo93:20]

Fred the daft rag **** Done is paying out already

Edited for you ;-)

 

[radcliffe1309]

Keep our spirits up Tolmie,
Just a little bit more please ......please

 

[flb]

TH knows his stuff , and no way would he post something like that unless he had heard something, transfers can go either way as we all know - this isn’t a transfer , this is completely different stuff , we should be grateful he’s posted it ,because bar him , there are vibes that what he is saying is the truth , the press will comment on 115 until the cows come home and will only believe it from 1 side when they hear it , and that’s from the PL , they won’t believe “Chinese whispers” but they are going to find out very very fucking soon aren’t they ?

 

[radcliffe1309]

TH knows his stuff , and no way would he post something like that unless he had heard something, transfers can go either way as we all know - this isn’t a transfer , this is completely different stuff , we should be grateful he’s posted it ,because bar him , there are vibes that what he is saying is the truth , the press will comment on 115 until the cows come home and will only believe it from 1 side when they hear it , and that’s from the PL , they won’t believe “Chinese whispers” but they are going to find out very very fucking soon aren’t they ?

Please god !!

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

The amount of gullible people always surprises me.

TH has cheered me up though.

 

[ufo]

At first he was just a computer program that Ric devised to drive more traffic to the site with transfer gossip but then he became sentient

and after he went to check his back engine , he turned into real tolime and fucked off to twitter( formally known as prince .)

 

[tolmie's hairdoo]

I like Tolmie but didn't he get the cease and desist letters information wrong? Is this new information or just rehashing what the club has said all along?

Nope. Letters were sent. TalkSport and others, warned.

Tebas and others. I didn't mention Goldbridge.

 

[Mancini Manus Domini]

Can someone please tell me what Tolmie has posted? Or what page to go and find it on? Thanks

 

[chaddblue]

Nope. Letters were sent. TalkSport and others, warned.

Tebas and others. I didn't mention Goldbridge.

It’s obvious that somebody has had a word with Jordan. He changed his opinion on city overnight

 

[Invisible Man's Bandage]

Can someone please tell me what Tolmie has posted? Or what page to go and find it on? Thanks