PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[SatOnTheWall]

I get your point. But the IC will definitely ask our lawyers the very obvious question "Why these damaging emails would even exist if Man City has done nothing wrong or has nothing to hide?".

If our lawyers fail to provide a plausible explanation for the existence of these serious emails, then it's safe to assume that we are genuinely fucked. I just hope and pray that they have a reasonable explanation for that.

C.A.S. verdict. Read it.

And “sama” is only used when addressing others; never about yourself.

 

[Metal Biker]

I get your point. But the IC will definitely ask our lawyers the very obvious question "Why these damaging emails would even exist if Man City has done nothing wrong or has nothing to hide?".

If our lawyers fail to provide a plausible explanation for the existence of these serious emails, then it's safe to assume that we are genuinely fucked. I just hope and pray that they have a reasonable explanation for that.

You've not been paying any attention these past 3 years, have you. You know exactly why the emails were debunked. They were taken out of context and were essentially hearsay amongst employees at the club, not evidence of misdeeds.

And who were you before you changed your name? Or is "Toranaga sama" not linked to the recent Shogun series and you're just a huge fan of the 80's original miniseries?

 

[BerkshireBlue]

The emails are only proof of a conversation not an action. If I said in an email that I'd willingly kill Nigel Farage and then he gets murdered it doesn't prove I'd done it.

especially as you have better proof that you didn't do it

 

[blue for life]

The 115 jibes seem to have piped down since Saturday?

 

[bobbyowenquiff]

I get your point. But the IC will definitely ask our lawyers the very obvious question "Why these damaging emails would even exist if Man City has done nothing wrong or has nothing to hide?".

If our lawyers fail to provide a plausible explanation for the existence of these serious emails, then it's safe to assume that we are genuinely fucked. I just hope and pray that they have a reasonable explanation for that.

The burden of proof lies with the PL lawyers. The emails have already been discredited. CAS acknowledged the emails as authentic but said the content of them provided "no evidence" of any wrongdoing. It was also shown that at least one of the five emails was fabricated (two others pasted together), at least one dated back to a period before FFP existed, and there was also confusion about who the mails related to because HH is a title used by numerous people in the UAE hierarchy. The Spiegl coverage was shown to be distorted and out of context. The CAS Judges repeated the phrase "No evidence" more than 10 times on their public statement. City are not the slightest bit fucked.

 

[Centurions]

'Magic hat' has put another thread on twitter this morning relating to our case including some hacked emails that weren't used at CAS.

Some of them do look like they could be an issue

I'm not on twitter so haven't seen what they've posted but the Mancini, youth players and 'Longbow' emails have come up before if that's what they've posted. In fact I don't think there is anything else? They've been dismissed already as far as I'm aware. Besides, the dick keeps going on about the PL 'prosecuting us' which obviously is bollocks so if they can't even get that right then what's the point of the rest of it?

 

[meltonblue]

I'm not on twitter so haven't seen what they've posted but the Mancini, youth players and 'Longbow' emails have come up before if that's what they've posted. In fact I don't think there is anything else? They've been dismissed already as far as I'm aware. Besides, the dick keeps going on about the PL 'prosecuting us' which obviously is bollocks so if they can't even get that right then what's the point of the rest of it?

Don’t think they’ve been dismissed as such, they all came out after the CAS case.

 

[abu13]

I am totally confident that we will be cleared of the vast majority of the charges, sure we will get saddled with a few for none co-operation and a fine but other than that i feel we will be cleared.

I just fail to see how they can prove that we have done anything wrong, the club state that we have irrefutable evidence to counter the charges. We have never swayed from this stance.

I have to admit that when the charges were raised a part of me suspected that they must have found a smoking gun somewhere, this being the case then surely there would have been some form of leak by now.
Likewise if we were bang to rights then I am sure we would have been trying to agree some form of settlement and trying to manage the narrative, instead we are spending money developing the stadium and infrastructure. Add in that our main sponsor is going public and opening up their accounts and all I can see is the club being extremely confident.

I feel there is a good chance of things developing over the coming weeks now that the season has ended, I can see a situation where the PL back down and stories to this effect start to be leaked.

Of course no matter if the charges are proven or not we will still be labelled as cheats.

 

[give it to gordon]

Once this is over and we are cleared I'm going to sit back and all the other pl clubs have their 4 year investigation. Utd already been caught with emails from people on garden leave and tapping up. I can't wait :)

 

[Bozzie]

So who do we think this Magic Hat fella is? Never heard a peep from him before and then suddenly he’s all over Twitter acting like he’s advisor to the Premier League. I’ve blocked him cos he’s fucking boring but can’t help thinking he’s not entirely ‘unsponsored’.

 

[KS55]

The emails are only proof of a conversation not an action. If I said in an email that I'd willingly kill Nigel Farage and then he gets murdered it doesn't prove I'd done it.

Good idea, though.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I get your point. But the IC will definitely ask our lawyers the very obvious question "Why these damaging emails would even exist if Man City has done nothing wrong or has nothing to hide?".

If our lawyers fail to provide a plausible explanation for the existence of these serious emails, then it's safe to assume that we are genuinely fucked. I just hope and pray that they have a reasonable explanation for that.

I think @KS55 summed up the law quite succinctly to be fair.
Third party “testimony” for want of a better word, is not evidence and jurors are regularly instructed by a judge not to regard it as such, unless the witness can give first hand corroboration.

The emails in this case, have been given context, by other emails and documentation that was accepted by CAS, we have been led to believe.
I don’t see why the same shouldn’t apply to the PL inquiry if it is basically the same “testimony “.

 

[slbsn]

So who do we think this Magic Hat fella is? Never heard a peep from him before and then suddenly he’s all over Twitter acting like he’s advisor to the Premier League. I’ve blocked him cos he’s fucking boring but can’t help thinking he’s not entirely ‘unsponsored’.

One thing is for sure, the volume of work is pretty extraordinary even for some Twitter oddballs. He is not an English lawyer nor prepared to reveal his identity (his prerogative) but the work is high quality albeit openly biased. I haven't read every word nor agree with everything he writes but it is generally fair comment.

But I have never seen a case yet where one side's case doesn't look attractive only to look very different when you read the response.

 

[The blue phantom]

Wouldn't suprise me if it's the same people who did the You Tube hit job.

 

[waspish]

One thing is for sure, the volume of work is pretty extraordinary even for some Twitter oddballs. He is not an English lawyer nor prepared to reveal his identity (his prerogative) but the work is high quality albeit openly biased. I haven't read every word nor agree with everything he writes but it is generally fair comment.

But I have never seen a case yet where one side's case doesn't look attractive only to look very different when you read the response.

How does he get access to new emails?

 

[Bozzie]

One thing is for sure, the volume of work is pretty extraordinary even for some Twitter oddballs. He is not an English lawyer nor prepared to reveal his identity (his prerogative) but the work is high quality albeit openly biased. I haven't read every word nor agree with everything he writes but it is generally fair comment.

But I have never seen a case yet where one side's case doesn't look attractive only to look very different when you read the response.

“generally fair comment” .. that’s probably why I can’t take to him

It’s well above my pay grade (and haven’t read his latest diatribe) but previously he seemed to me to be pinning a lot of faith on the emails having a different impact than they did at CAS. It just seems a bit strange that he’s appeared almost overnight with very strong, very detailed (and yes, one sided) insights into something that’s been going on for so long.

 

[paulchapo]

I won't read this magic hat person's latest post as he says it's 90 minutes worth of reading and at the end of the day at this point who knows what's true and what's not? A very intelligent person with a legal background could fabricate what looks like a cast iron case but it could be complete bollocks.

Surely if Der Spiegel or whoever had all this evidence sitting there they'd have released the fucking lot to UEFA straight away years ago? Why wait until we were cleared by CAS, grew more wealthy and successful and won the champions league? If the aim was to destroy us and they had everything there to do so why didn't they? Or could it be it's a load of bollocks? They don't but it keeps the saga running and ties us up in lengthy cases and damages our reputation?
We'll find out soon enough but this could be fatal for quite a few parties who lose the case, with enormous legal repercussions if it's us considering who our owner is.

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

'Magic hat' has put another thread on twitter this morning relating to our case including some hacked emails that weren't used at CAS.

Some of them do look like they could be an issue

Why people give some agenda driven anonymous internet nobody any time of day is completely beyond me. This is just what these people crave, clicks and links.

The Internet is stuffed full of so called experts who actually know bugger all. That's why they post anonymously, so they can't be called out or questioned especially when their " information" is nonsense.

People need to relax, completely ignore these fools and wait for the announcements and outcome from the PL and City. As far as I'm aware nothing has been concluded.

I might add, that it's people like this , supposed experts and in the knows on anything and everything on twitter that are the very reason I have avoided that social media forum. Life is way too short to waste time reading posts from someone who isn't confident enough to actually put his name to what he writes. Lol

 

[LeonardoDaVnci]

'Magic hat' has put another thread on twitter this morning relating to our case including some hacked emails that weren't used at CAS.

Some of them do look like they could be an issue

Magic Hat is Nick Harris pretending to be an Aresenal fan. Someone blew his cover last week on X. He even engages in conversations with his alter ego, eg he compliments himself on the quality of his own work.

 

[ayrshire_blue]

That thread reads absolutely horrible for us, particularly if (and it seems so) the emails are authentic and not doctored.