Vincent Kompany | Bayern Munich Manager

COAT_OF_ARMS said:
Except you've been saying that about the *Bayern* job the whole time. Now Bayern is becoming the proving ground, it's a bit of a case of moving the goalposts.

Nobody has suggested he's proved himself for City already.
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Moving what goalposts?
 
balotellishaircut said:
Well thank god Barcelona didn’t do it the right way in 2008 and gave a young man a chance to succeed with his bright ideas.
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When did Pep relegate a team and then get a job at a club he had nothing to do with?

Pep was groomed for that job in an institution he had been part of his entire life.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
Moving what goalposts?
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First you are saying in every comment that he should not get the job where he can prove himself to City's level. Then you are saying he hasn't proven himself to City's level (when nobody had suggested otherwise). It seems you want to have your cake and eat it. He can either "do it the right way" or not, but he needs the opportunities to be open in order to do that.

Thus far, that's exactly what he is doing - he is not at the top yet, still on a journey. Bayern is part of that journey, finding themselves in the postition that they are currently in.

He has not walked straight into the Man City job, a la Pep walking straight into the Barca job, or Zidane walking straight into the Real job.

Instead, he is working his way up by showing he can improve players and squads at various levels of the game, showing that he can rebuild squads at different levels of the game, showing that he can implement his style at different levels of the game, showing that he can teach players, as well as motivate them.

Then each time after demonstrating these things, moving on to another level to demonstrate it there. It seems he is doing exactly what you want him to do... he is doing it what you consider to be "the right way"... except you've been saying the people allowing him to do that shouldn't allow him to do that... if that was the case, then there would be no way of doing what you seem to expect coaches to do.

That's what I mean by moving the goalposts, you've changed the very definition of what you're criticising, into something that hasn't even happened. He is not the manager of Manchester City F.C.
 
COAT_OF_ARMS said:
First you are saying in every comment that he should not get the job where he can prove himself to City's level. Then you are saying he hasn't proven himself to City's level (when nobody had suggested otherwise). It seems you want to have your cake and eat it. He can either "do it the right way" or not, but he needs the opportunities to be open in order to do that.

Thus far, that's exactly what he is doing - he is not at the top yet, still on a journey. Bayern is part of that journey, finding themselves in the postition that they are currently in.

He has not walked straight into the Man City job, a la Pep walking straight into the Barca job, or Zidane walking straight into the Real job.

Instead, he is working his way up by showing he can improve players and squads at various levels of the game, showing that he can rebuild squads at different levels of the game, showing that he can implement his style at different levels of the game, showing that he can teach players, as well as motivate them.

Then each time after demonstrating these things, moving on to another level to demonstrate it there. It seems he is doing exactly what you want him to do... he is doing it what you consider to be "the right way"... except you've been saying the people allowing him to do that shouldn't allow him to do that... if that was the case, then there would be no way of doing what you seem to expect coaches to do.

That's what I mean by moving the goalposts, you've changed the very definition of what you're criticising, into something that hasn't even happened. He is not the manager of Manchester City F.C.
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I couldn’t even read that. Too much.

The facts are there for all to see.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
All the best to you. Clearly a difference of opinions and ideologies here.

The end game, and this isn’t goal posts, is he ends up here and is ultra successful.
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All the best to you too. That comment I completely agree with.

If that end-game does prove to happen, I don't doubt everybody on here would be chuffed for Vinnie, and overjoyed for what it means for us. Here's hoping.
 
LangleyBlue1970 said:
If it was up to me, he’d have to do it the right way. If he’s successful there then he’s done just that. So far he’s done nothing worthy of our top job and you can put a thousand pair of blue specs on, but that’s the reality.

Bayern have chosen to do what top clubs don’t do. That’s their risk. For Kompany it’s a one in a lifetime chance to see if he can do it.
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It's a good job that Vinny doesn't think that way.
He is obviously confident in his ability to do the job or he wouldn't have taken it on.
 
Withnail said:
What's the general consensus of opinion from Bayern fans on the appointment?
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I do not think there is a general consensus by the fans. Too much turmoil in the recent 4 years not really going into a straight direction. And the media does not help it either. The old guys that had withdrawn and given over their reign to Kahn and Brazzo - and who came back after that did not work and right now try to get out again...

I actually think that all of you can guess what the arguments against Kompany are like. Somewhat 7th choice, no German, no experience etc. - one fan preferred Nagelsmann, the other Tuchel, some wanted Flick back...

Apart from Flick who did in my eyes wonders in the short time without normal preparation times both Nagelsmann and Tuchel for me were somewhat failures. I want to get back to a more Pep like play again - more system, more team, less hero football. Better positioning, better pressing. We have a good team (ok, another midfield might be a problem - we do not need b2b-players) and good individuals - but you enhance them with a good system.

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I doubt the Fernandez story. We have Musiala and other options on that position that aren't worse. And the rumours come from the agent and portuguese media...
 
balotellishaircut said:
Well thank god Barcelona didn’t do it the right way in 2008 and gave a young man a chance to succeed with his bright ideas.
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Pep was already coaching the Barca B team and working miracles with them. It was nowhere near as left field as this. I do think Vinny can do well though, Leverkusen will inevitably get some players pinched and have CL to deal with and Bayern have a top squad still.
 
This is going to be a severe test of Vinny's man management skills along with tactical acumen. He hasn't succeeded at Burnley in the Premier League despite Everton's and Nottingham Forest's points deductions.
 
Grassland Blue said:
It's a good job that Vinny doesn't think that way.
He is obviously confident in his ability to do the job or he wouldn't have taken it on.
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I have said more than a few times now it’s not Kompany I’m questioning, it’s Bayern. It’s done now so let’s see how it goes.
 
Rumours of Zinchenko being linked with Bayern. I guess he's a player that Vinnie knows the capabilities of. Is he the standard of player that Bayern would have been interested in, say, 3 or 4 years ago?
 
This is so lose-lose for Vinnie, in English media at least. If he succeeds there will be 'It is Bayern, all those resources and players and Leverkusen players being poached, what did you expect?". If he bombs it will be "It is Kompany, he relegated Burnley, what did you expect?". Joker for added derision, in some way associated to Pep, English media already mad so many managers around connected to him.
 
Whilst he was nowhere near their first choice, Bayern Munich would’ve still had to go through due diligence in order to appoint him. As fans, we don’t see everything.
 
Kippax Street 1880 said:
Pep was already coaching the Barca B team and working miracles with them. It was nowhere near as left field as this. I do think Vinny can do well though, Leverkusen will inevitably get some players pinched and have CL to deal with and Bayern have a top squad still.
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But he did a cracking job at both Anderlecht and Burnley.

Anderlecht finished 8th in the season, before Vinnie took over. They were 4th and 3rd in his two years with the club, then 11th the season after he left.

He rebuilt a Burnley squad that had lost most of its members, brought in bargains and loan signings, and won the Football League, playing a wonderful style that garnered a record points haul.

Vincent is his own man, and I’m convinced that his single-mindedness and winning mentality will see him succeed at Bayern, which will cause a huge dilemma for me, as I want him to do brilliantly, but not the team he is in charge of.
 
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