PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Invisible Man's Bandage said:
I expect it's been covered on here but Stefan isn't getting hugely excited over the disclosure news. His view is that it's just the standard two way disclosure request that is typical in these types of hearings.
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I'm no expert but I have a view about this disclosure request. Of course the PL are not going, or are not able, to give every single mail, WhatsApp or text involving City since 2008. But I'm wondering if City already have some "leaked" documents. So when giving evidence the PL can say we have disclosed everything. Then City can respond what about these?
 
its grim up north said:
I'm no expert but I have a view about this disclosure request. Of course the PL are not going, or are not able, to give every single mail, WhatsApp or text involving City since 2008. But I'm wondering if City already have some "leaked" documents. So when giving evidence the PL can say we have disclosed everything. Then City can respond what about these?
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I'm absolutely no expert but from what I've seen it is the IC that has requested that both parties supply information as part of standard procedure. I'd be very pleased if that isn't the case of course but it just seems like wishful thinking.
 
its grim up north said:
I'm no expert but I have a view about this disclosure request. Of course the PL are not going, or are not able, to give every single mail, WhatsApp or text involving City since 2008. But I'm wondering if City already have some "leaked" documents. So when giving evidence the PL can say we have disclosed everything. Then City can respond what about these?
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Shhh, don't give the game away.
 
The more senior people in organisations are, the more vulnerable they are in disclosure processes, because nobody has oversight of them day to day. Just look at Paula Vennels in the Post Office scandal.
In my career I have seen senior people who were highly intelligent and capable say amazingly incriminating things in emails. Given that Masters consistently appears to be anything but highly intelligent or capable, I can fully understand why we would want access to all emails from the organisation he was running, and why the PL lawyers would oppose it.
 
JewelZee said:
This is all sidebar stuff. The crux of the matter remains the legality of the APT rules not what someone may have said in a text or email...
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I am right in thinking that City aren't against the APT as it was before the February ammendment, we just dont agree with this change and we are fighting this. Or am I wrong?
 
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eastmanc said:
I am right in thinking that City aren't against the APT as it was before the February ammendment, we just dont agree with this change and we are fighting this. Or am I wrong?
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You are not wrong...
 
Toranaga sama said:
This leak can only come from 1 of the 3 parties involved in this legal dispute.

IC: I don't think they are the source of this leak. It's highly unlikely to me and I wonder what they would gain from this leaking.

City: We have seen previously that City doesn't have the habit of leaking something to the press when there is an investigation going on. We saw the same pattern from City with UEFA, CAS and PL. And if we were to leak something then surely we would hand our news material to someone else, sure not to Matt Lawton (the massive ****) from The Times who with his buddy Matthew Syed and Martyn Ziegler consistently slagging us. And if we decide to leak something with a high magnitude then the obvious choice would be Martin Samuel or Simon Mullock. That's why I just don't see City leaking this.

Premier League: The usual suspect. I am certain that they are the source. As we have already seen in the past week from Matt Lawton's reports on our legal action against PL. Either PL is a direct source or PL made the arrangement via 3rd party like Arsenal. Either way, they are the source.

Now the question is what PL can achieve from this leak and what was their motivation...? I don't have the answer for that. Maybe someone can enlighten me.
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To damn us in the Court of public opinion.
To be fair they've been pretty good since the charges were laid, but since we won the PL they've been abysmal.
The question is why? Do they know they've lost?
 
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The more senior people in organisations are, the more vulnerable they are in disclosure processes, because nobody has oversight of them day to day. Just look at Paula Vennels in the Post Office scandal.
In my career I have seen senior people who were highly intelligent and capable say amazingly incriminating things in emails. Given that Masters consistently appears to be anything but highly intelligent or capable, I can fully understand why we would want access to all emails from the organisation he was running, and why the PL lawyers would oppose it.
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Look at Garry Cook he’s been in some important positions at places like Nike, City, UFC and currently at Birmingham City. He fell on his sword accidently copyingNedum Onuha’s mum into an email mocking her having cancer. People can be stupid with their communications within a business, if you don’t want it being used against you at some point in the future don’t document or record it in any shape or form. I wonder if there’s anything knocking around mocking the ethnicity of Mansour or Khaldoon from the Premier League or execs of other clubs?
 
halfcenturyup said:
Just because the club didn't make a claim until February doesn't mean they don't want the whole thing thrown out. Has anyone who has seen the complaint confirmed it's just about the February changes?
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The ammendments weren't approved till 9th of Feb so couldn't be challenged till then.
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Premier League may face legal action from club over third-party rules

The Premier League may face a new legal challenge from one of its own clubs after approving new rules related to third-party transactions
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ganganvince said:
The ammendments weren't approved till 9th of Feb so couldn't be challenged till then.
amp.theguardian.com

Premier League may face legal action from club over third-party rules

The Premier League may face a new legal challenge from one of its own clubs after approving new rules related to third-party transactions
amp.theguardian.com amp.theguardian.com
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Yes. But the club abstained from the vote on the 2021 rules on the grounds they could be illegal. It would be strange to want the latest rules overturned but not ones the club previously thought could be illegal. The new rules were just the straw that broke the camel's back, I think.
 
eastmanc said:
I am right in thinking that City aren't against the APT as it was before the February ammendment, we just dont agree with this change and we are fighting this. Or am I wrong?
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I don't know whether we like the pre Feb rules, but the objection we have raised regards the changes
 
Whether or not said:
The more senior people in organisations are, the more vulnerable they are in disclosure processes, because nobody has oversight of them day to day. Just look at Paula Vennels in the Post Office scandal.
In my career I have seen senior people who were highly intelligent and capable say amazingly incriminating things in emails. Given that Masters consistently appears to be anything but highly intelligent or capable, I can fully understand why we would want access to all emails from the organisation he was running, and why the PL lawyers would oppose it.
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This is totally true from my direct experience (including involvment in some very big legal cases). The higher up the food chain the more complacent people are with their tech/comms. Middle managers know making a blunder could kill their career. Those at Director-level just think they are invincible and answerable to no one. This pattern is repeated again and again if you look at some of the many scandals over the years.
 
feedmpenzaandhewillscore said:
Look at Garry Cook he’s been in some important positions at places like Nike, City, UFC and currently at Birmingham City. He fell on his sword accidently copyingNedum Onuha’s mum into an email mocking her having cancer. People can be stupid with their communications within a business, if you don’t want it being used against you at some point in the future don’t document or record it in any shape or form. I wonder if there’s anything knocking around mocking the ethnicity of Mansour or Khaldoon from the Premier League or execs of other clubs?
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My CEO was a top bloke but would send emails to our leadership team disparaging the overseas owner. The sly fucker who wanted his job had no problem ensuring they were seen. The CEO wasn’t daft he just thought he had everyone’s loyalty, he had all but 1 & that’s all it takes.
 
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