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Watching Ben Whittaker last night, his talent is very obvious, but I suspect his showboating is masking flaws that will be found out later in his career. He is able to do that against opponents that have no place in the ring with him, and I find it distasteful, but exposing his chin against someone like Beterbiev would, I suspect, see him unable to beat the count. We shall see.
 
oldius said:
Watching Ben Whittaker last night, his talent is very obvious, but I suspect his showboating is masking flaws that will be found out later in his career. He is able to do that against opponents that have no place in the ring with him, and I find it distasteful, but exposing his chin against someone like Beterbiev would, I suspect, see him unable to beat the count. We shall see.
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The guy is a bellend. Nas used to showboat like that but could back it up by knocking you out in an instant. As you say this guy will get found out.
 
oldius said:
Watching Ben Whittaker last night, his talent is very obvious, but I suspect his showboating is masking flaws that will be found out later in his career. He is able to do that against opponents that have no place in the ring with him, and I find it distasteful, but exposing his chin against someone like Beterbiev would, I suspect, see him unable to beat the count. We shall see
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He reminds me of Paulie Malignaggi, style wise. All the skills in the world, but no pop in his punches.
Will be interesting to see if he has Paulie's heart.
 
oldius said:
Strange. I had it 10-2 for the champion.
It felt, to me, that something was wrong with Riakporhe. Not to take anything away from Billiam-Smith, but it was quite an easy fight for him, and he is a good fighter, but he's not a great. I suspect that Riakporhe struggled to make weight - he looked significantly bigger than Billiam-Smith, but ponderous and lacking snap and stamina. Still, well done to Billiam-Smith who avenged his only loss and can go on to big fights and earnings.
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Like you, I was expecting a much closer fight. Riakporhe looked beaten early on and (like you said) lacked snap.
Even when he was told to go for the KO he never looked like he was capable.
No combinations just single punches; so when he did catch Billam-Smith it was easy to deal with.
 
I do t think anyone dodging Whittaker, but if he's not careful he's going to be a hard sell for promoter's. As has been said Nas was a showboating knockout artist. Whittaker is quick, luckily he may just miss the current group of light heavy champions
 
VOOMER said:
I do t think anyone dodging Whittaker, but if he's not careful he's going to be a hard sell for promoter's. As has been said Nas was a showboating knockout artist. Whittaker is quick, luckily he may just miss the current group of light heavy champions
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VOOMER said:
I do t think anyone dodging Whittaker, but if he's not careful he's going to be a hard sell for promoter's. As has been said Nas was a showboating knockout artist. Whittaker is quick, luckily he may just miss the current group of light heavy champions
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His social media following is huge: the uninformed think that he is some kind of Matrix character. Showboating has never appealed to me, but I understand that it can help you gain attention and a following. I don't like those who do it against lesser fighters, and Whittaker walking his opponent back to his corner was ill-considered, arrogant, and disrespectful; it was no surprise that his opponent stuck the nut in. I would like to see him in against Yarde, but I imagine he will not want any piece of that, and definitely not yet.
 
oldius said:
His social media following is huge: the uninformed think that he is some kind of Matrix character. Showboating has never appealed to me, but I understand that it can help you gain attention and a following. I don't like those who do it against lesser fighters, and Whittaker walking his opponent back to his corner was ill-considered, arrogant, and disrespectful; it was no surprise that his opponent stuck the nut in. I would like to see him in against Yarde, but I imagine he will not want any piece of that, and definitely not yet.
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How do you think he’d do against Lyndon Arthur ?

I like big Lyndon but he’s pretty limited at the top level and if Ben can find a way around his jab I think he probably beats him.
 
Axel Freed said:
How do you think he’d do against Lyndon Arthur ?

I like big Lyndon but he’s pretty limited at the top level and if Ben can find a way around his jab I think he probably beats him.
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I think he possibly does. I suspect that he will go all the way to the very top but then be found wanting against the best. Certainly, he will get caught by power if he stays in the pocket and relies on twisting his head with his hands down: someone like Beterbiev would simply keep throwing combinations until they landed, and he also wouldn't mind hitting shoulders, neck, torso, all of which would slow Whittaker down for a later rounds stoppage. I like the idea of a fight against Yarde because he is also a bit unorthodox, but has power and durability.
 
oldius said:
I think he possibly does. I suspect that he will go all the way to the very top but then be found wanting against the best. Certainly, he will get caught by power if he stays in the pocket and relies on twisting his head with his hands down: someone like Beterbiev would simply keep throwing combinations until they landed, and he also wouldn't mind hitting shoulders, neck, torso, all of which would slow Whittaker down for a later rounds stoppage. I like the idea of a fight against Yarde because he is also a bit unorthodox, but has power and durability.
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Agree with most of that although i think at this stage Yarde would be all over him like a rash.

My main worry for Ben is that he doesn't seem to have one punch power. All the skills in the world won't help him if he can't deter serious guys from just walking forward all night long as we saw with Tank v Martin at the weekend
 
Axel Freed said:
Agree with most of that although i think at this stage Yarde would be all over him like a rash.

My main worry for Ben is that he doesn't seem to have one punch power. All the skills in the world won't help him if he can't deter serious guys from just walking forward all night long as we saw with Tank v Martin at the weekend
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Yes, I am not talking now: we are probably 12-18 months away from that kind of fight.
He is a sharp hitter but not concussive, and I think you nail the point: the top guys will apply a high guard and just march him down, then use combinations that he cannot avoid. Coming under pressure in a fight will be good for him, and it will be interesting to see if he can cope mentally.
 
I wish him well but he hasn't fought anyone above regional level. It may be that he needs a real test, just for his own piece of mind. As I said he's quick, both in terms of movement and hand speed.
 
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