PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Prestwich_Blue]

And Mike Miney on charges if can find link ill post

Blimey. What's he alleged to have done?

 

[BongoBlue]

I'm a semi-retired gynaecologist.

I could have fully retired 8 years ago but I like to keep my hand in.

I'll bet you could paint your front hall through your letterbox...:)

 

[GaudinoMotors]

A Liverpool fan not from Liverpool. What a surprise.

50? Looks late 60s if he's a day.

 

[55yr old teenager]

City know there is no evidence, that's why they are so uber confident these charges will fail. If in extremis, for the want of argument, such known evidence did exist (it should have been destroyed years ago) and City had been asked to provide it, CIty would not have handed it over which can only ever result in a "none-co-operation" charge which has no sporting sanction, only a financial penalty as I understand it.

This independent commission will be asked to find these charges of rule breaches proven against City based on the same evidence that was put before the CAS justices. For that to happen, in the face of no additional evidence for the PL, would seem very, very, unlikely. Such a perverse finding will almost certainly result in a substantial appeal by City which would also put a huge spotlight on the integrity of the ruling commission members, something on which their very professional existence relies on heavily. I cannot see how that can happen.

Is it conceivable the PL have conducted such a 4 year witch hunt investigation based on no other evidence than those emails, knowing the results at CAS? That they have issued 115 (130) charges against City on such a basis, knowing the likely outcome? As most have surmised should the above come to pass, Masters and his team are finished. The American redshirts will hang him out to dry.

And yet red shirts are to blame for this whole fiasco, and they get to walk away.

 

[domalino]

I saw Stefan doing podcast today with kieron mcquire ? And Mike Miney on charges if can find link ill post

I'm hopeful that this will be really good.

Oh and @projectriver if you see this, ask Kieran for a copy of the City complaint! He's on record as having had an entire evening to read the whole thing after being given it by "a source".

 

[Colin Bells Boots]

Other thing is the Fordham image rights weren’t time bound on limitations which Uefa could have included in their charges but didn’t. It feels like the Premier League are hoping to throw enough shit and hopefully something will stick. The fall out for them if this goes tits up for them will be huge.

And deservedly so.

 

[AlexWilliamsGloves]

I saw Stefan doing podcast today with kieron mcquire ? And Mike Miney on charges if can find link ill post

Its the "We're not really here" podcast.....if being recorded today it probably wont be up for a couple more days yet....latest episode was 2 weeks ago

 

[mayo31]

Stefan does say when talking about charges that we don't fully know what they've got if anything new

Would City not have to know by now what the PL may have or is it a gotcha moment in the proceedings?

 

[dadnlad]

Would City not have to know by now what the PL may have or is it a gotcha moment in the proceedings?

I'm no expert but like city you wouldn't show hand before need to

I guess at some point discussion will be this what we've got and negotiating takes place

 

[nmc]

Nobody knows what they have, so he is right to say that. But he also says he thinks it is exceeding unlikely that the PL can prove the most serious charges and, if they can't, then most of the other charges won't have been proven either. And he is right to say that too.

Edit: There hasn't been one story in the press, as far as I can remember, that the PL are confident in their case and that they think they will prevail. Bearing in mind how that organisation leaks, that speaks volumes.

The problem with much of the UK media is they don’t worry about evidence or the balance of probabilities etc…. Our guilt is a given on the basis they don’t like us or the origin of our ownership.

 

[burning blue soul]

I'm no expert but like city you wouldn't show hand before need to

I guess at some point discussion will be this what we've got and negotiating takes place

Generally in court proceedings the prosecution discloses the information they have, as how do you defend a client if you don't know what they have on him.
Producing a 'gotcha' is just gonna cause repetitive delays in the proceedings.
As I understand it.

 

[slbsn]

Its the "We're not really here" podcast.....if being recorded today it probably wont be up for a couple more days yet....latest episode was 2 weeks ago

We just recorded this - not sure when out. Suspect most on here won't hear much new to be honest. But hopefully a good insight for those not previously up to speed. KM doesn't have the City APT particulars of claim. At least not that he can share if he does (which he says he doesnt!)

 

[domalino]

KM doesn't have the City APT particulars of claim. At least not that he can share if he does (which he says he doesnt!)

Wouldn’t the APT particulars would be in any copy of the complaint? I thought that’s what he’d been shown.

 

[prestonibbo_mcfc]

The problem with much of the UK media is they don’t worry about evidence or the balance of probabilities etc…. Our guilt is a given on the basis they don’t like us or the origin of our ownership.

or/and just jealous of our success.

 

[KS55]

Wouldn’t the APT particulars would be in any copy of the complaint? I thought that’s what he’d been shown.

I think the paper leaked to the Times is just a background briefing setting out the reasons we are taking action and does not include the particulars of claim. The Times did not spot that the claim is likely to (centre on the amendments to the rule and) go no further than the rule itself.
City voted in favour of the principle of associated being included in the PSR rules but we were nonplussed by the details when they came out and livid at the amendments post Newcastle.

 

[mayo31]

Generally in court proceedings the prosecution discloses the information they have, as how do you defend a client if you don't know what they have on him.
Producing a 'gotcha' is just gonna cause repetitive delays in the proceedings.
As I understand it.

That was my view

It also gives the option of a deal I guess

Now City are rumored to have been offered a deal and said no, so maybe we do know what the PL has.

 

[KS55]

That was my view

It also gives the option of a deal I guess

Now City are rumored to have been offered a deal and said no, so maybe we do know what the PL has.

Offered a deal? Source?

 

[manimanc]

Offered a deal? Source?

Noel Edmonds, Channel 4.

 

[Super-Barwuah]

Offered a deal? Source?

David dickenson

 

[JASR]

You wouldn't have identified him as 50, though. Fuck me, if he's 50 he's in fucking bad shape, even for a dipper.

And that's saying something.

I was talking, well trying to understand, a slurring Arsenal fan in a pub on the Friday night just outside wembley, he had come outside for a fag, was wearing shorts and had something really manky looking wrong with a leg, pot bellied, balding, fat face… somehow got onto the subject of age… he was 50… he thought I was a ‘young lad, so probably only supported city since 2008, ha ha’, asked mine, and you could see his face draining as I said I was 55.