Absolutely spot on, apart from when you say 'fans'* because to me they have an agenda against anything the owners/club try to do.
*Always looking for something to moan about.
North Stand Construction Discussion
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*Always looking for something to moan about.
All people seem to do, is judge and surmise. Without knowing the background. And dismiss any alternative take.
A), it is not true that one 'side' wants just revenue, and the other wants atmosphere. That is utter horseshit. The club have repeatedly stated they want atmosphere. They wouldn't be building the damn thing, in the format they are, if they wanted just revenue.
B) the other 'side' have a very singular and limited view on what atmosphere is. It consists of a limited number of catchy phrases that ultimately seem to result in nothing than one big circlejerk of us vs them.
C) I don't think there are 'sides' to it at all. It is not a buffet! And I find arguing such quite bizarre.
Bottom line, I struggle trusting a lack of balance. And so far, till 1894 and others arguing this show even a hint of it, I am going to say what I think. Just as every other person here seels to , with their namelseas execs, sides, tunnel clubs in the kop, etc.
Nobody has talked about the meetings.
Not 1894.
Not City Matters.
Not the OSC.
Not….?
There is an NDA from the club for everyone involved in the meetsings.
Only 1894 have canvassed the fans opinions on what they would want for the North stand. I stand corrected on that
I have yet to read or see anything from the OSC which has 20,000 City members over 300 branches, it might be more now, regarding the North stand, and what their members want for the North stand, unless I have missed it?
How can people comment when they don’t know what is being discussed at the meetings between the club and the fan representatives? For all we know the discussions could be amicable with all parties putting their views, opinions, and ideas forward in a transparent, honest, and constructive manner.
Instead of pointing the finger at certain fan groups and accusing them of……, let’s wait and see what the outcome of the meetings are when the club makes a public statement about the North stand to ‘all City fans’.
I’ll leave it at that.
Not 1894.
Not City Matters.
Not the OSC.
Not….?
There is an NDA from the club for everyone involved in the meetsings.
Only 1894 have canvassed the fans opinions on what they would want for the North stand. I stand corrected on that
I have yet to read or see anything from the OSC which has 20,000 City members over 300 branches, it might be more now, regarding the North stand, and what their members want for the North stand, unless I have missed it?
How can people comment when they don’t know what is being discussed at the meetings between the club and the fan representatives? For all we know the discussions could be amicable with all parties putting their views, opinions, and ideas forward in a transparent, honest, and constructive manner.
Instead of pointing the finger at certain fan groups and accusing them of……, let’s wait and see what the outcome of the meetings are when the club makes a public statement about the North stand to ‘all City fans’.
I’ll leave it at that.
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The 1894 have clearly, twice now, insunuated innuendo that the meetings did not go to their liking.
That's exactly my point btw, because the club have said nothing so far, all anyone can go off what 1894 say.
And I am clear in that my comments are based on what they say and how they say it.
Maybe the club stance will confirm exactly what they say, maybe it will show that actually is them that are quite narrow about this.
St Helens Blue (Exiled)
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Personally would have loved it if the club could done something similar to Spurs' one tiered end.
Atmosphere bar the big games has been pretty shite for a few years now. With success comes fans who are more bothered about having a photograph with the ground behind them rather than the old school fans (many priced out) who could get the ground rocking. It's modern day football unfortunately.
Away games are so much better for the whole atmosphere/day.
Atmosphere bar the big games has been pretty shite for a few years now. With success comes fans who are more bothered about having a photograph with the ground behind them rather than the old school fans (many priced out) who could get the ground rocking. It's modern day football unfortunately.
Away games are so much better for the whole atmosphere/day.
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Not true, there are about 40,000 season ticket holders most long time holders, most of the other match day fans have been going for many years. If there is a lack of atmosphere, and I don’t think there is, its down to the 45,000 old fans not the couple of thousand so called ‘tourists’ many of whom join in anyway. Sometimes more than some miserable older S/C holders that moan and leave early.
One tier or a big second tier really make no difference.
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Which is it? Aren’t “old school fans” the only ones who can get an away ticket these days? My bro has been an SC holder forever and has traveled the world on away days, but STILL gets blocked out on some games!
Everyone has an opinion, often highly personalized, on fans, tickets, atmosphere, and now what the new North Stand should be.
Personally, I think the club knows EXACTLY what they want and is seeking input from these groups to say they did it. If these groups do manage to get any of their wishes granted, one can be assured what they got was either already planned or only a very slight tweak from the club’s original plans.
The whole installation has already been planned and approved, so apart from who can sit where, what are we really talking about?
Security plans, current SC holders, the stadium construction are all already in place, so how can it be more than marginal tweaks that have significant overlap with the club’s original vision?
Again this atmosphere thing, we have something like 40K plus season tickets, one of the largest in the country, I would take a bet that a vast majority of those don't sing during the game, what are you going to do with those fans?
And if your talking of creating atmosphere like in German games, well that's an utter crock, nothing worse than forced and fake atmosphere.
A vast majority of the new seats will be for regular fans and the rest will be corporate, and thus I am not sure what the issue is.
8K extra seats will create atmosphere but it's what happens on the pitch that does that.
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Agree with this, where I am in SL1 most around me only open their mouths when something happens on the pitch and neither am I slagging them off for it, it's just how most people behave.
Which is why I don't buy into this stance, that it has to be 1,2, and 3, and only that is what will make it work. And anything more or less is a complete failure. And a deliberatre ploy.
I think it can work in many ways, with or without padding, with or without families, day trippers, 5% corporate, etc.
Prices will always be an issue and that is what all groups should always be challenging and I am all for it. The rest, I am open to seeing what the club have in mind.
Most English grounds have a poor atmosphere,it’s nothing to do with the design,it’s the fans mentality,a lot of European clubs fans are vocal all game,
100% agree and away followings including our own are far more vocal than home support.
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It's just a stand with seats , those who sit in it will either join in with songs , chants ect or won't just the same as the other 3 stands
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I don’t agree with this. I think it will make a big difference. 7,000 people all stood up in one area.
In our current standing section we have a few blocks separated by away fans and we’re one of the only clubs without a home end. This will put large amounts of people into one standing area.
ss3 has made a difference and is now the loudest section of the ground in my view. Pricing and the size of the stand being two factors contributing to that.
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I agree people might not sing or join in, but having 7,000 fans in one area and stood up would be completely unique and help to create an atmosphere. We’d have a much better chance with that arrangement than what we have now - a few blocks separated by away fans.
The club themselves have built the stand specifically with atmosphere in mind. If it makes no difference we May as well just build a third tier or fill it with corporate seats
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There will be 6000 in the second tier and about 3000 in the bottom tier (I think). If that's what was wanted both tiers could be standing, which would be little difference to all 9000 in a single tier. Plus making it 1 tier was impractical.Don''t think being 2 tiers changes what's possible.
tailspin747
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Looks as though it won’t be long until the old roof is fully self supporting.
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Give me a break lol.
We have surveyed THOUSANDS of City fans and based our 'agenda' on their views. Why would any City fan be against that?
If you don't like 1894, fine... we aren't trying to please everyone. We have a membership structure and act on behalf of their views. Anyone can become a member. It's free.
If 1894 weren't 'moaning' who would be? Do you think City fans shouldn't have any voice and should accept everything the club decides despite its impact on us? Are you a bootlicker?
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That's absolutely not true...
Why is South Stand level 1 louder than Colin Bell level 3 (despite the latter having a higher allocation of supporters).
There are tons of things the club can do to encourage the right type of fans, who are more likely to generate an atmosphere, into an atmospheric home end if that's what they want to do.
Absolutely this. There have been many games over the years where the Etihad has been absolutely bouncing and the atmosphere superb. It's all about the fans and what they do, not the angle of the roof or whether the singing section is sat by the away fans or not.
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