Altercation at Terminal 2

[Bigga]

Don't disagree with any of that.

Don't think it applies here, but we are obviously seeing different things in the footage. And that happens, no issue with that at all. No tangential overdistortion, is all we can ask for.

So... You agree with @ChicagoBlue, but not me... and we're saying the same thing???

Whatever, dude.

 

[Uncle Wally One Ball]

The vigilante mindset should be shocking, but I guess that’s where we are today.

If this had happened to Blues outside the Etihad, we’d be braying for heads to roll at GMP.

Again, I’m a staunch supporter of the police and law and order. All three were involved here and law and order was not, imho, on display in any way that would shine positive light on GMP. If it were nearly as righteous as BM thought, we wouldn’t be discussing it, or trying repeatedly to justify it.

I’m glad I don’t take my yardsticks from BM.

With authority comes responsibility, and that particular officer abdicated it on this occasion. Whether that reflects who he is at home, with his mates, or down the pub is irrelevant. When he straps on his firearm, he accepts authority that few of us are granted, but with that comes a higher level of responsibility than most people in society are ever given. He appears capable of accepting that responsibility, but not adhering to the standards it requires. That is not to say he is a bad person, but that he should not continue to have the authority he has been given.

I have nothing more to add to this thread, which will please some of you, and I’m good with that.

Bit rich coming from an American if you dont mind me saying. The police there are laughable. Not one word of that post sounds American mind you, to me anyway.

 

[Coatigan]

I don't give a shit.

It's pretty likely, between us, that I'm the one who's come close to experiencing the type of violent, in the moment, melée and dealing with it with my team.

So, if you've ever come even a little close to being employed to keep your head in a situation dealing with scrotes, tell me.

And yes, I can use the word 'scrotes' cos I used to deal with them EVERY week.

Ah yes, there is that typical assumption you jump to, knowing other people's experiences. Every time! You are the only authority on discrimination sexism violence and everything that poor sheltered everyone else has no comprehension of. I'll stay clear of that, thanks.

For the record if it got missed in this, it is perfectly understandable to be uncomfortable with the kick and stamp. In this context and the pace, I can see the circumstances that make it not as simple as that. It is not because of 'deserving' it or anything like that, it is just the sequence of extreme events that resulted in it, that blur the lines.

How the police see it, up to them I won't pretend to know their guidelines and assessments. I am commenting as a member of the public.

What I do react to, is throwing everything and anything at it to justify the 'scrotes' ' actions, while completely condemning the Police's. Which is what your sequence of poats does, despite you protesting otherwise.

 

[sir baconface]

Indeed.

So the question I asked the other two, that was ignored/ bypassed, was whether women be allowed to do jobs men do.

They turned it into an argument about striking women.

So, as I'm not getting a direct answer from them, do you think that women should do all jobs a man can do, no matter the consequence?

Women bring different qualities. In a policing context, in one situation they may be less robust under vicious attack. In another they may be able to avert a flare-up that would otherwise get out of hand.

Regardless, no normal man punches a woman in the face. It’s a question of old fashioned decency, not equality.

 

[Coatigan]

It isn't and it's been explained numerous times over and over on here, his strike was to nullify an already out of control threat in a highly charged environment. I'd rather see cops doing this in extreme circumstances and controlling the situation than losing their hand gun and the problem being multiplied 10 fold.

This.

This is the crux of the issue. The rest is noise to detract from it.

 

[Coatigan]

So... You agree with @ChicagoBlue, but not me... and we're saying the same thing???

Whatever, dude.

You are not saying the same thing.

And I agree with the principle, not this specific situation.

 

[Bigga]

Ah yes, there is that typical assumption you jump to, knowing other people's experiences. Every time! You are the only authority on discrimination sexism violence and everything that poor sheltered everyone else has no comprehension of. I'll stay clear of that, thanks.

For the record if it got missed in this, it is perfectly understandable to be uncomfortable with the kick and stamp. In this context and the pace, I can see the circumstances that make it not as simple as that. It is not because of 'deserving' it or anything like that, it is just the sequence of extreme events that resulted in it, that blur the lines.

How the police see it, up to them I won't pretend to know their guidelines and assessments. I am commenting as a member of the public.

What I do react to, is throwing everything and anything at it to justify the 'scrotes' ' actions, while completely condemning the Police's. Which is what your sequence of poats does, despite you protesting otherwise.

I'm not really sure how to respond to someone who chooses not absorb conversation. I asked you to reveal your experience of being in a similar situation as to what I discussed. You chose to say "...typical assumption you jump to, knowing other people's experiences. Every time! You are the only authority on discrimination sexism violence and everything that poor sheltered everyone else has no comprehension of."

Not even close to anything I said. But, you do you, Boo. I hope you feel amazing from it.

And my adding of "scrotes" changed after I saw the second contextual video and violence emitted. The violence was unacceptable, but that's me having better context and not assuming like you did from the off.

That does not excuse the actions of the policeman after containing the suspect.

So, let me ask again the question ignored earlier about feeling 'threatened' and not 'angry'; why didn't he deploy a second taser rather than kick and stamp the man...??

 

[Drewmanc]

I'm not really sure how to respond to someone who chooses not absorb conversation. I asked you to reveal your experience of being in a similar situation as to what I discussed. You chose to say "...typical assumption you jump to, knowing other people's experiences. Every time! You are the only authority on discrimination sexism violence and everything that poor sheltered everyone else has no comprehension of."

Not even close to anything I said. But, you do you, Boo. I hope you feel amazing from it.

And my adding of "scrotes" changed after I saw the second contextual video and violence emitted. The violence was unacceptable, but that's me having better context and not assuming like you did from the off.

That does not excuse the actions of the policeman after containing the suspect.

So, let me ask again the question ignored earlier about feeling 'threatened' and not 'angry'; why didn't he deploy a second taser rather than kick and stamp the man...??

Because, and like you I'm only guessing, that he felt it necessary at the time following a prolonged assault in which he and his colleagues were struck over and over again. Did it end the stand off? Did it work? Is anyone dead or injured? The resounding answer to those is yes apart from the injury one. Play silly games and win silly prizes.

 

[Oldham Exile]

A thought that suddenly occurred to me when I read a post that said something about no one having knives in the airport.
The people were picking up someone off a flight and had obviously parked up.
Therefore they had not been searched/x-rayed or anything so how would anyone know what they were carrying?

Sorry I guess I am just being Devil’s advocate as I do NOT know what happened and have no intention of commenting on either side other than the above thought.

Has anyone mentioned why the police had been looking to arrest these people?

I am guessing the information must be somewhere in this thread - but there are a lot of pages

 

[Big Joe Corrigan]

Bit rich coming from an American if you dont mind me saying. The police there are laughable. Not one word of that post sounds American mind you, to me anyway.

He’s English.

 

[Eccles Blue]

Has anyone mentioned why the police had been looking to arrest these people?

I am guessing the information must be somewhere in this thread - but there are a lot of pages

Something to do with having picked up their mother they got into an altercation with someone else. Not sure how true but the picking up bit was right apparently.

 

[BerkshireBlue]

The vigilante mindset should be shocking, but I guess that’s where we are today.

If this had happened to Blues outside the Etihad, we’d be braying for heads to roll at GMP.

Again, I’m a staunch supporter of the police and law and order. All three were involved here and law and order was not, imho, on display in any way that would shine positive light on GMP. If it were nearly as righteous as BM thought, we wouldn’t be discussing it, or trying repeatedly to justify it.

I’m glad I don’t take my yardsticks from BM.

With authority comes responsibility, and that particular officer abdicated it on this occasion. Whether that reflects who he is at home, with his mates, or down the pub is irrelevant. When he straps on his firearm, he accepts authority that few of us are granted, but with that comes a higher level of responsibility than most people in society are ever given. He appears capable of accepting that responsibility, but not adhering to the standards it requires. That is not to say he is a bad person, but that he should not continue to have the authority he has been given.

I have nothing more to add to this thread, which will please some of you, and I’m good with that.

ok Spiderman

 

[Bigga]

Women bring different qualities. In a policing context, in one situation they may be less robust under vicious attack. In another they may be able to avert a flare-up that would otherwise get out of hand.

Regardless, no normal man punches a woman in the face. It’s a question of old fashioned decency, not equality.

Unfortunately, old fashioned decency becomes a cropper up against feminist ideology. The two cannot exist in the same space today.

But, yes, it's down to the individual in those situations.

But also, for me, I respect any female that chooses to work alongside a man in these types of fields. The ultimate respect from me to know she's capable and willing to get in there and do it.

 

[Bigga]

Because, and like you I'm only guessing, that he felt it necessary at the time following a prolonged assault in which he and his colleagues were struck over and over again. Did it end the stand off? Did it work? Is anyone dead or injured? The resounding answer to those is yes apart from the injury one. Play silly games and win silly prizes.

So, your argument is 'it was better to enact physically over deploying a secondary taser from safe distance'?

Okay. Got it.

 

[Drewmanc]

So, your argument is 'it was better to enact physically over deploying a secondary taser from safe distance'?

Okay. Got it.

The human reaction time is 1/4 of a second on average - it's what popped into his head after being assaulted numerous times. He is an officer of the law and they were assaulting police and evading arrest- how did he know their motives? It solved the issue at hand.

 

[Bigga]

The human reaction time is 1/4 of a second on average - it's what popped into his head after being assaulted numerous times. He is an officer of the law and they were assaulting police and evading arrest- how did he know their motives? It solved the issue at hand.

Curiously, you don't deal with the logical aspect of my question.

The officer knows there is a first taser deployed as the assailant is immobilised. The situation is 'contained'. So, if unsure because of movement, why not deploy a second taser from safe distance before engaging with handcuffs?

Enacting a kick and stamp is not clear minded action.

 

[Drewmanc]

Curiously, you don't deal with the logical aspect of my question.

The officer knows there is a first taser deployed as the assailant is immobilised. The situation is 'contained'. So, if unsure because of movement, why not deploy a second taser from safe distance before engaging with handcuffs?

Enacting a kick and stamp is not clear minded action.

I'll only say it once more, he'd been struck numerous times and knocked down, his concerns is not only him, his fellow officers but to his taser, his firearms amd the fellow officers firearms and to the general public. He makes all these decisions in a 1/4 of a second, not only doing that but completing his DORA at the same time. It's the decision he made with all the other factors thrown in.

 

[Bigga]

I'll only say it once more, he'd been struck numerous times and knocked down, his concerns is not only him, his fellow officers but to his taser, his firearms amd the fellow officers firearms and to the general public. He makes all these decisions in a 1/4 of a second, not only doing that but completing his DORA at the same time. It's the decision he made with all the other factors thrown in.

Well, since you're going off this "1/4 of a second" narrative, which is demonstrably false with the video evidence shown coupled with multiple tasers aimed at the man, this is discussion going nowhere.

Enjoy the day.

 

[Drewmanc]

Well, since you're going off this "1/4 of a second" narrative, which is demonstrably false with the video evidence shown coupled with multiple tasers aimed at the man, this is discussion going nowhere.

Enjoy the day.

Good day to you to sir, I hope you enjoy the sun. And Google it, that's his reaction time should he not have been viciously assaulted, that is what's called an extenuating circumstance.

 

[cheekybids]

Well, since you're going off this "1/4 of a second" narrative, which is demonstrably false with the video evidence shown coupled with multiple tasers aimed at the man, this is discussion going nowhere.

Enjoy the day.

What harm has occurred to the assailant? You’ve not liked the look of his actions but there’s been no damage to the assailant. He was booted & stamped but not continuously, it all looked controlled unlike the attacks from the thugs who were only stopped with force.