Altercation at Terminal 2

[ChicagoBlue]

Yet here we are 5 posts later. #nottheend.

Oh fuck, the dreaded hashtag!

“The end” does not relate to the entire topic, but merely the specific point under discussion.! smh

 

[pride in battle]

They were moving on each time the last one before the conversion attempt. The first one was in T2 baggage hall, then T2 Starbucks, (allegedly first punch up with the police), then finally the conversion attempt.

So THREE times in total ? Is that fact ?

 

[ChicagoBlue]

I don't think that anybody is being apologist. They just want the Police to be effective and the Police are going to be the opposite of effective if a precedent is set which means they're too scared to act and do their job. The cost of subsequent inaction in another scenario could be far greater.

The chasm between “inaction” and the “action taken” is wide enough to fit the entire “appropriate police action” handbook in it.

The Police are also human and they shouldn't be elevated above human standards. I know @ChicagoBlue that you're involved in aviation so have you ever made a mistake and had to learn from it? Of course you will have, it's ridiculous to expect 100% standards.

No-one is expecting 100% standards, and a little “extras” might be expected during a scuffle and after having a female colleague decked and bloodied.

The question is “where does ‘extras’ begin and end?”

100% standards cannot be mandatory and I challenge anybody to get smacked in the face and not think of defending themselves first, often through whatever means available. Our physical instincts do not allow it, we're animals and we're designed to fight and ask questions later.

Do you HONESTLY think the cop in question ( Officer Kickandstomp) was “defending” himself? If so, I think we have stretched credulity beyond its natural limits.

 

[bert38]

Do you know that tasers are wired electric shock?

So unless the design of them have changed the officer could see the lad was immobile after being tased.

I wonder if @bert38 can tell the board that if a taser is dispatched the officer shooting would have to declare the warning or, indeed, if the design of the weapon has changed.

I cannot make an assumption about the taser usage.

Typically the officer using the taser would shout ‘taser! taser!’ to alert their colleagues.

My knowledge of their use is v limited though-it was only firearms officers who were issued with them when I was a response inspector. It’s more widespread now.

The only thing I def recall is not to put your hands between the barbs on somebody in order to restrain/cuff them or you may get a nasty shock!

I was only present in a couple of training sessions when they were demonstrated.

 

[ChicagoBlue]

The end? That’ll be for the independent review to decide. Thankfully.

The comment was “He knew his responsibilities preclude such behavior. The end.”

Do you think he didn’t know that?
Do you think it’s in the handbook?
Do you think Officer Kickandstomp did it by the book?

I’m saying HE knew what he did was a result of the red mist descending. He lost his sense of being a police officer and reverted to street thuggery.

But, yes, an “independent review” will decide his punishment or lack thereof, not his knowing his actions were excessive. I think we all know that, or should…although all seems copacetic for some, so there’s that.

 

[Coatigan]

The comment was “He knew his responsibilities preclude such behavior. The end.”

Do you think he didn’t know that?
Do you think it’s in the handbook?
Do you think Officer Kickandstomp did it by the book?

I’m saying HE knew what he did was a result of the red mist descending. He lost his sense of being a police officer and reverted to street thuggery.

But, yes, an “independent review” will decide his punishment or lack thereof, not his knowing his actions were excessive. I think we all know that, or should…although all seems copacetic for some, so there’s that.

How well do you know the book? To judge whether he acted by it. Or what was in his mind in the second and a half between him getting up after being knocked to the ground and the kick, and then gouing about securing the suspect who is still trying to get up, the other one, and getting control of the whole situation.

 

[Drewmanc]

Hit a cop, then the just desserts are a full swing boot to the head while you’re down, plus a little head stomping for good measure, is “OK, in my book!” Good GMP policing, that!

Got it!

This place is a fucking laugh factory sometimes!

Stop being a wet fart, the policing was adequate and would never had happened if people were civilised.

 

[meltonblue]

Stop being a wet fart, the policing was adequate and would never had happened if people were civilised.

We don’t know if the policing was adequate or not, that’ll come out of the IOPC investigation, there’s definitely not enough in the public domain for anyone to say that and know it.

That’s not to say you can’t have sympathy or empathy with the police involved too.

 

[Coatigan]

Place yourself as a passenger at that airport, a member of the public there with your family.

You would most likely want those guys under control and out of action in whatever way that comes. Short of seeing death, probably. For your own safety and that of your family.

You wouldn't be there analysing what is by the book (which you don't know) and what isn't, what is excessive (which is relative) and what isn't, what is emotional vs rational, and what is in the guy's mind at any given frozen point. You would just want it over and under control, kick stamp or anything else.

That is ultimately who the Police are acting on behalf of, and that is the context. They are two clearly violent and unpredictable men, dangerous to their surrounding, and the police ultimately get them under control. It all happens very quickly and reactions happen in real time in split seconds, while suffering physical harm.

I'll let the police determine how that meets their own standards. But by mine, that guy can continue to protect the public all day long.

 

[mscenterh750]

Here’s an idea. How about they ban alcohol sales at airports and on planes because it’s a ticking fucking timebomb with fuckers that can’t behave when they’re pissed. Also get the cunts breathalysed before boarding and if you’re pissed you ain’t getting on a plane.

 

[Drewmanc]

Here’s an idea. How about they ban alcohol sales at airports and on planes because it’s a ticking fucking timebomb with fuckers that can’t behave when they’re pissed. Also get the cunts breathalysed before boarding and if you’re pissed you ain’t getting on a plane.

Absolutely, those guys assaulting cops must have been on the lash all day. I knew it was an easy answer. Congrats.

 

[Blue Maverick]

Here’s an idea. How about they ban alcohol sales at airports and on planes because it’s a ticking fucking timebomb with fuckers that can’t behave when they’re pissed. Also get the cunts breathalysed before boarding and if you’re pissed you ain’t getting on a plane.

I doubt these guys were drunk mate, however I do agree with banning alcohol, my wife used to work for Monarch before it went bust, drunk passengers are a nightmare and she didn’t do many 18-30 type crowds either, the few times the did late Ibiza flights they wouldn’t serve alcohol on the plane, passengers would drink their own stuff and it was nightmare trying to stop them.

 

[i kne albert davy]

Hit a cop, then the just desserts are a full swing boot to the head while you’re down, plus a little head stomping for good measure, is “OK, in my book!” Good GMP policing, that!

Got it!

This place is a fucking laugh factory sometimes!

It is when you put your two penneth in for sure.

 

[mscenterh750]

Absolutely, those guys assaulting cops must have been on the lash all day. I knew it was an easy answer. Congrats.

No need for the sarcasm. They may not have been on the piss or they may have been on the piss. Banning alcohol at airports and on planes may just make both the airport and a plane journey a safer and more enjoyable experience for the majority of people. Regardless of whether these cunts were pissed or not.

 

[mscenterh750]

I doubt these guys were drunk mate, however I do agree with banning alcohol, my wife used to work for Monarch before it went bust, drunk passengers are a nightmare and she didn’t do many 18-30 type crowds either, the few times the did late Ibiza flights they wouldn’t serve alcohol on the plane, passengers would drink their own stuff and it was nightmare trying to stop them.

Yeah I can imagine how much of a nightmare it must’ve been for your wife.

 

[cheekybids]

The comment was “He knew his responsibilities preclude such behavior. The end.”

Do you think he didn’t know that?
Do you think it’s in the handbook?
Do you think Officer Kickandstomp did it by the book?

I’m saying HE knew what he did was a result of the red mist descending. He lost his sense of being a police officer and reverted to street thuggery.

But, yes, an “independent review” will decide his punishment or lack thereof, not his knowing his actions were excessive. I think we all know that, or should…although all seems copacetic for some, so there’s that.

You are telling us the copper has gone over the top & yet the assailant has no significant injuries. No wonder people feel confident twatting cops in public with people like you.

 

[lazerblue]

why were they so desperate not to be detained?

 

[give it to gordon]

The people at the airport it's been reported caused trouble in at least two other places. The police knew this so went in abit hard because these people were causing trouble.
Some people think the police should be like Dickson of Docgreen. These twats wouldn't have gone quietly.

 

[inbetween]

Do you HONESTLY think the cop in question ( Officer Kickandstomp) was “defending” himself? If so, I think we have stretched credulity beyond its natural limits.

Yes I think he was defending himself and had to resort to whatever means to control the two thugs, one included using a bit of excess force to put a stop to the fighting. The test of that is easy, by this point the officer had a head injury and another officer had their nose broken and they were fighting two animals.

The only question for me is what happened prior to this and why did it escalate so badly. This is what makes me think that they had far more to hide. If you come across armed police then why on earth would you start a fight with them?

They knew that they were in an area of heavy surveillance with lots of people likely to grab their phones so it obviously wasn't the case that the officer thought he'd crack a bit of rough justice on the Muslim behind closed doors.

 

[pride in battle]

I believe it is. They knew their responsibilities and they certainly didn’t extend to a drop kick and stomp on the head…regardless of circumstance.

If you believe those actions were necessary, based on his training and responsibilities, then I don’t know what to say.

He knew his responsibilities preclude such behavior. The end.

He should get a ticking off but sacked ? I hope not.