It's Quiet 18 - Wanna ring the bell?

Status
Not open for further replies.
DallasMCBlue said:
I'm only questioning the attitude many are having of being dismissive of Alvarez's abilities. He's been one of our best players and will be missed. Bobb might end up being amazing and we forget all about Julian. But history tells us this rarely happens. I'm pulling for Bobb and think he's an exciting player. But he's not in Julian's class...yet...
Click to expand...
Not one person has been dismissive of Alvarez’s abilities, what’s been said is he isn’t displacing Haaland so Alvarez’s best abilities aren’t suited to getting into out first 11. That much is obvious. Also obvious is players like Bobb, Savio, maybe even McAtee their best positions are better suited to were there may be opportunities to play games and they won’t expect to be certain starters.
That’s not saying those players are better or worse, just different players at different stages of development ,probably where Alvarez was 2 seasons ago.
 
Jonas.shaffer said:
The disrespect toward him in the last few days has been appalling. He said absolutely nothing wrong in the press, but some have almost entirely fabricated the downplaying of his contribution in the previous season.
Click to expand...

Given Dallas was quoting me, I am assumed that was geared to me.

I don’t think having an opinion on Alvarez different to yours is ‘appalling’. I don’t think he’s a difference maker and that’s fine. He’s a good player, but not good enough to nail down a starting place for us.

The times he’s played on his own up top, he’s looked a bit lost and out of the game - 5 goals, including 1 penalty, in 2024. His link-up is his best asset and that’s why we saw his best football played behind the striker. But we have Kev and Phil both vying for that spot who are both far superior players to what Alvarez is.

He’s not a winger (not his fault) and he’s definitely not an 8 (again, not his fault) which means his best position is in that role behind the forward. And when he’s played there, I just can’t get on board with him consistently being a difference maker.

£80m is a ludicrous fee for the player he is and I’m not surprised we snapped their hands off without much of a (public anyway) negotiation - Bernie-esque.

He’s a good player. I’m sure he’ll improve. But I don’t think he’ll reach the heights needed to ever be a stalwart in our side. Hope I’m wrong because, as you said, he’s never said or done anything wrong but it’s all about (differing) opinions.
 
skillman said:
Given Dallas was quoting me, I am assumed that was geared to me.

I don’t think having an opinion on Alvarez different to yours is ‘appalling’. I don’t think he’s a difference maker and that’s fine. He’s a good player, but not good enough to nail down a starting place for us.

The times he’s played on his own up top, he’s looked a bit lost and out of the game - 5 goals, including 1 penalty, in 2024. His link-up is his best asset and that’s why we saw his best football played behind the striker. But we have Kev and Phil both vying for that spot who are both far superior players to what Alvarez is.

He’s not a winger (not his fault) and he’s definitely not an 8 (again, not his fault) which means his best position is in that role behind the forward. And when he’s played there, I just can’t get on board with him consistently being a difference maker.

£80m is a ludicrous fee for the player he is and I’m not surprised we snapped their hands off without much of a (public anyway) negotiation - Bernie-esque.

He’s a good player. I’m sure he’ll improve. But I don’t think he’ll reach the heights needed to ever be a stalwart in our side. Hope I’m wrong because, as you said, he’s never said or done anything wrong but it’s all about (differing) opinions.
Click to expand...
I honestly didn't even read your comment. It wasn't directed at you but comments in general that I'd seen. I'd have preferred he stayed, but I absolutely agree that the fee we got for him was bigger than I could have ever expected. It allows for Bobb to potentially get a lot more minutes as well, so it was a win/win.
 
Jonas.shaffer said:
I honestly didn't even read your comment. It wasn't directed at you but comments in general that I'd seen. I'd have preferred he stayed, but I absolutely agree that the fee we got for him was bigger than I could have ever expected. It allows for Bobb to potentially get a lot more minutes as well, so it was a win/win.
Click to expand...

Yeah agreed mate. I’d rather Bobb get Alvarez’s minutes. Maybe it’s academy bias but he just seems to be more on the front foot when he gets it, edge of the seat type stuff.
 
blueparrot said:
Not one person has been dismissive of Alvarez’s abilities, what’s been said is he isn’t displacing Haaland so Alvarez’s best abilities aren’t suited to getting into out first 11. That much is obvious. Also obvious is players like Bobb, Savio, maybe even McAtee their best positions are better suited to were there may be opportunities to play games and they won’t expect to be certain starters.
That’s not saying those players are better or worse, just different players at different stages of development ,probably where Alvarez was 2 seasons ago.
Click to expand...
Very similar to what I'm saying...but if Alvarez isn't good with being a back up striker and as far as I'm concerned no one can blame him then we have better options in the AM/8/winger positions...he gets an opportunity to be the main guy up front and we get a substantial financial windfall...
 
FMwkdsoul said:
and someone else gets rotated more, all evens out.
Click to expand...

Yeah but the point is having someone with a higher floor & ceiling than Kovacic, playing more regularly. Not to disparage him btw, he's been great for us. Regardless, I can also see City deciding not to dip into the market and be happy with Kovacic & other deputising.
 
Ajm1985 said:
Yeah but the point is having someone with a higher floor & ceiling than Kovacic, playing more regularly. Not to disparage him btw, he's been great for us. Regardless, I can also see City deciding not to dip into the market and be happy with Kovacic & other deputising.
Click to expand...
i know but to get Rodri and Kova, Kdb and foden in the box 4. Pep dropped the LW and had phil come in from there.

Someone is to be sacrificed to get another dm in there,

Someone who will be as happy as Kova but up a level, still a tricky juggle with the squad as is. Agree think they roll with this from here, barring a silly bid on Nunes. Gonna be interesting anyway.
 
Last edited by a moderator:
FMwkdsoul said:
i know but to get Rodri and Kova, Kdb and foden in the box 4. Pep dropped the LW and had phil come in from there.

Someone is to be sacrificed to get another dm in there,

Someone who will be as happy as Kova but up a level, still a tricky juggle with the squad as is. Agree think they roll with this from here, barring a silly bid on Nunes. Gonna be interesting anyway.
Click to expand...

He did, but it was something he was planning - Sam Lee and others said that was the plan regarding Rodri & Rice. Rodri is a pretty damn good 8 but I take the point that it's a few players occupying similar space and 1 wing takes the hit. It's part of why I want an overlapping LB option, so it's not just Walker holding width while Foden cuts in. Anywho, there are lots of options & solutions in the squad as is, so it will be interesting.
 
Ajm1985 said:
He did, but it was something he was planning - Sam Lee and others said that was the plan regarding Rodri & Rice. Rodri is a pretty damn good 8 but I take the point that it's a few players occupying similar space and 1 wing takes the hit. It's part of why I want an overlapping LB option, so it's not just Walker holding width while Foden cuts in. Anywho, there are lots of options & solutions in the squad as is, so it will be interesting.
Click to expand...
id love them to add Kadioglu (for someone), but i can live with Josko playing left
 
Status
Not open for further replies.
Unread Posts

Don't have an account? Register now and see fewer ads!

SIGN UP
Back
Top