PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[M12Blue]

I always enjoy a rag’s first post.

Sounds like a cockerney c#nt so can’t be a r…, oops my bad

 

[foggy1974]

I’ve posted before but whoever pushed and pursued the whole agenda against City ( I’m talking about an individual) not a group of clubs together,has done a fantastic job as it’s achieved in part to keep people thinking that we have cheated/are guilty when nothing has been proven and also aided by a complicit media,my one hope is that somehow when we are cleared that the club pursue’s damages against the cnuts that started this,that’s all I ask let’s see how they like it .expect the unexpected..

You could also look at it the other way, especially the way Pep reacted with his Churchill ian speech after the EPL dropped the bombshell of the 115 allegations.

Had the media treated Pep as one of the cartel managers, he might have done his 3 years which most people expected & there wouldn't have been the treble, 4 in a row.

 

[foggy1974]

I actually am not as optimistic as most people here. I think we'll got done for some but not all charges. And I'm not referring to non-cooperation. I find it incredibly unlikely that they've dragged this on for as long as they have, and without dropping any charges, to not have high confidence some things will stick.

2 messages in 12 months. Mmm.....

Do you genuinely think If the premier league had us bang to rights then they'd have waited 4 years to destroy us after going to court with City to stop it becoming common knowledge

 

[Elbow beards]

I yearn for the days where they’d bed in for a couple of months.

It's took over a year to come out with that beauty.

 

[blue b4 the moon]

No I think this one’s called Terry Fukwit….

There's a name from the past, wonder which stone that **** is under now.

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

And Dineage only had to see things close up for a matter of days before deciding it wasn’t for her.

Very much a News of the World ‘Made her excuses and left’ scenario…

 

[Plays By Sense Of Smell]

A glaring fuck up that was initially waved through by the so called independent panel…. Not only shows the PL to be incompetent but their panel of legal experts haven’t exactly covered themselves in glory and have undermined their credibility too. Add to that the tone of the PLs statement which seemed to indicate a narrative of disappointment that the (so called) independent panel had finally shown some er independence in the appeal process. The sooner the government introduces a regulatory body the better - the PL are extraordinarily incompetent and seem to be able to demonstrate it at every turn. No one can have any faith in Masters - who frankly would be out of his depth in a puddle.

The tone of the rebuttal says it all for me.

Highlights the PL as definitely being a ‘vested interest’ party with an agenda rather than a supposedly independent body themselves.

 

[bigA]

2 messages in 12 months. Mmm.....

Do you genuinely think If the premier league had us bang to rights then they'd have waited 4 years to destroy us after going to court with City to stop it becoming common knowledge

Agree with you there. If they had us bang to rights, they would have swiftly dealt with us.

The longer it has dragged on, the chances of them having us totally banged to rights have weakened. I feel they want us to take a pinch and do a deal but we are past that point. They have tarnished us far too long for any deals to be made, it's put up or shut up time for them now and face the consequences if we are cleared of these charges.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Agree with you there. If they had us bang to rights, they would have swiftly dealt with us.

The longer it has dragged on, the chances of them having us totally banged to rights have weakened. I feel they want us to take a pinch and do a deal but we are past that point. They have tarnished us far too long for any deals to be made, it's put up or shut up time for them now and face the consequences if we are cleared of these charges.

We’ve already taken the pinch.

 

[Sky Blue]

I actually am not as optimistic as most people here. I think we'll got done for some but not all charges. And I'm not referring to non-cooperation. I find it incredibly unlikely that they've dragged this on for as long as they have, and without dropping any charges, to not have high confidence some things will stick.

Hello.

 

[Chris in London]

Crisp in London.

That’s a good, crisp reply.

 

[KS55]

Meh. I could write it now based on "executives of PL clubs have told me", "an ex-coach of a rival club said", " insiders have indicated", "senior sports lawyers are of the opinion" and the like. You are overestimating how much in the press is informed and how much is purely speculative.

For “purely speculative” read “outright lies.”

 

[kevlardog]

Possibly. What do you base that on? Just a feeling?

In my view, they have no chance of making the most serious allegations (funding of sponsorships and filing incorrect accounts) stick simply because, like UEFA, they won't have access to the evidence necessary to prove it whereas the club will have access to reams of counter-evidence to disprove it.

So what is left? The rest of the "financial" allegations are all old allegations, as far as we know, and will be time limited unless the PL can show fraud or deliberate concealment. Not easy. There are plenty of counter arguments for Mancini and Fordham. But, tbf, we don't know enough about Fordham and Toure to conclude, really. There may be terms in Fordham that affect the club's results. Toure may be the PL's best chance, but again it's difficult to assess without more information and the club so far generally seems to have had good arguments to support anything that has happened. And let's not forget the club made a very strong statement when the allegations were announced and have, apparently, turned down the offer of a settlement. So they must be confident.

Finally, I am not so sure non-cooperation is as easy to prove as some might think and the rest (PL FFP and UEFA licensing) fall away if the serious charges aren't proven, I think.

Disagree with any of that?

Not at all, I just think that all of this is based on the facts and info we know so far. We do not have any of the new info/evidence the PL will use (if they even have any), so I'm hesitant to build confidence without any knowledge of their new "findings".

 

[KS55]

I yearn for the days where they’d bed in for a couple of months.

I yearn for the days of bedding someone for a couple of months.

 

[kevlardog]

mmm a user name with lar in the middle saying were getting charged on his first post sniff sniff

I didn't say we're getting charged. I suggest reading better. I don't want City to lose and I don't expect them to lose. I just don't think it's as easy as some make it out to be.

 

[kevlardog]

Welcome to the forum, la

I’m sure you’ll ‘slot’ in just fine.

Sniff sniff

What is la even refering to???

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Not at all, I just think that all of this is based on the facts and info we know so far. We do not have any of the new info/evidence the PL will use (if they even have any), so I'm hesitant to build confidence without any knowledge of their new "findings".

Not so hesitant about your first post, though? That was quite strident for your first statement to the board.

 

[kevlardog]

Confident of not being found out to be a dipper/rag/whatever? I think they've blown that one.

They have to spend a couple of months in off topic to build up the post count first.

Woah, these conspiracy theories are interesting. I have no interest in any other team, wether any of you believe it or not, is not up to me.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I know Stefan ploughs a lonely furrow, but I seriously question the value of going on Redmen TV to dignify a stream of "when did you stop beating your wife" questions.



Taking off my blue tinted specs, who seriously thinks anyone was enlightened beyond a better understanding of the timing and process? And it's not as if Stefan hasn't repeatedly outlined these points of procedure on numerous other channels.

Unless Stefan challenges the loaded nature of the questions, he's providing little more than a veneer of respectability for a bunch of bad faith actors. That might sound harsh but Google Stefan Borson and all you'll find is City Doomed! City Relegated! Etihad Raised to the Ground! Khaldoons Nuts Roasted! Okay I made the last two up but you get my drift.

I know Stefan has his admirers, I'm one of them, but he's got to be more more selective. No one watching this walked away with their prejudices challenged, quite the opposite, they came away with them validated. I know it's not Stefan's job to bat for City and I know he thinks he's bringing light to counter the heat, but the only light Stefan brought to this encounter was to better illuminate the fire.

Don't believe me? Look at the headline on the video and tell me I'm wrong.

 

[kevlardog]

2 messages in 12 months. Mmm.....

Do you genuinely think If the premier league had us bang to rights then they'd have waited 4 years to destroy us after going to court with City to stop it becoming common knowledge

I have a few lawyers in my family and it's not that uncommon to take your time building a ecase you perceive to be good. Wether it's actually any good is a separate thing. But just because it took long isn't necessarily telling of anything.