PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[Coatigan]

Not sure he was wrong.

I think he said an appeal may be successful on a matter of judgment (ie the level of sanction as in the two Everton cases and the Forest case) but was unlikely to be successful on a matter of fact (such as jurisdiction, like the Leicester case).

Which is why everyone was surprised by the Leicester appeal verdict, and some disappointed :) So I guess there is a little hope, and there isn't much downside to launching an appeal. You don't have to ask leave to appeal either, I think, so it's a good way of tying the PL up for another 3 months .....

I remember the discussion well. But put that aside, either way then the oeople that repeat what they think he said then got their understanding wrong, which still makes it wrong now.

My issue has never been with what he said or him being wrong. My issue is the many who still hang onto it, as if it is an absolute fact. When it is clear appeals do happen, and we would have the roght to one. If we were to lose.

 

[mancboy]

Not sure he was wrong.

I think he said an appeal may be successful on a matter of judgment (ie the level of sanction as in the two Everton cases and the Forest case) but was unlikely to be successful on a matter of fact (such as jurisdiction, like the Leicester case).

Which is why everyone was surprised by the Leicester appeal verdict, and some disappointed :) So I guess there is a little hope, and there isn't much downside to launching an appeal. You don't have to ask leave to appeal either, I think, so it's a good way of tying the PL up for another 3 months .....

and this is where people are getting confused with the whole thing, the numbers were there where everton and forest were concerned, they were factual, everton and forest had admitted it and the appeal was them saying that there were mitigating circumstances to the fact so they were appealing the sanctions based on the mitigating circumstances not the actual facts themselves.

The difference with us and where people are getting it confused because the press keep lumping us in with the everton, forest and leicester cases and that we have denied everything, we have not said your facts are correct but there is reasons why, we have said you are completely wrong, what you are saying is not true and heres why, now if they prove what they are saying is true then we could not appeal that but they have to pray their assertions are true first while discounting our evidence to say they are not and thats what stefan is getting at.

 

[slbsn]

Started off with that, but no it extended to no appeals.

I think we should move on from that and accept appeals Are possible and stop parroting 'stefan said' on that one and go with what has since happened.

This is complete nonsense. You have simply misunderstood. Please don’t misquote me. I’ve been very clear how and who can appeal and to where.

 

[slbsn]

Start date is September 16th, expected to last 10-12 weeks, that puts the end date end of November/December. Another month or 6 weeks to reach and write a judgment puts the announcement around new years. Even give them an extra month or 2 and we’re talking about end of Feb.

Stefans been fairly certain there’ll be no appeal likely because of the rules, so I can’t see a situation where the table in April is relevant. If we lose the punishment will be so severe that we’re instantly out of any title race regardless of an appeal, if we win then obviously it’s not an issue.

On the contrary. I’m certain City will appeal if they lose. It is arbitration (APT) which is almost impossible to appeal.

 

[M18CTID]

If you turn it around you’ll see that the Rags are getting away with it because the Premier league believe they are so powerful. We know they are corrupt but we don’t care we are light years ahead. I think they severely misunderstood how powerful an organisation we are & if they take us down corruptly they’ll regret it. Joe Lewis has had his warning shot & when was the last time Levy said anything about us. Scruffy Jim has said he expects us to be cleared & an organisation to admired. The Dippers have shut the fuck up. The only noise is nonces on Twitter & YouTube.

And RAWK and Red Cafe, etc

 

[slbsn]

I think he said it could take up to a year if it was a high court case. He has consistently said three months is likely for this case, so April sounds about right, which is close enough to the end of the season to make it tasty.

At least 3 months. I think probably longer but I’m giving the reporting the benefit of my doubt

 

[mancboy]

On the contrary. I’m certain City will appeal if they lose. It is arbitration (APT) which is almost impossible to appeal.

If it does get proven, isnt what we are accused of tantamount to fraud and subject to legal repercussions and then does it become a whole different thing?

 

[slbsn]

Everton appealed and had their points deduction cut in half the first time.

4 points off but there was a unique point - the IC found them to have breached a duty of good faith but it wasn’t even something the PL had charged them with so that was unwound by the appeal (probably worth 2 points alone).

 

[slbsn]

If it does get proven, isnt what we are accused of tantamount to fraud and subject to legal repercussions and then does it become a whole different thing?

Not necessarily. Nobody can properly game out what happens if all proven.

 

[slbsn]

I remember the discussion well. But put that aside, either way then the oeople that repeat what they think he said then got their understanding wrong, which still makes it wrong now.

My issue has never been with what he said or him being wrong. My issue is the many who still hang onto it, as if it is an absolute fact. When it is clear appeals do happen, and we would have the roght to one. If we were to lose.

What discussion. Total rubbish

 

[Rammy Blue]

Not necessarily. Nobody can properly game out what happens if all proven.

Won’t matter as won’t happen.

 

[cheekybids]

And RAWK and Red Cafe, etc

I stay away from the dark web.

 

[slbsn]

I think Coatigan may be referring to the inability to appeal to the High Court. There is no realistic way to appeal substantively to the High Court as I have always said

 

[Scaring Europe to Death]

People far more intelligent than me have consistently asserted on this Forum that without a smoking gun, or some damning evidence that none of us knew existed, than City will be exonerated of all the major charges.

However I've never seen that viewpoint articulated in the mainstream media so I remain convinced that a "Not Guilty" verdict will be greeted with disappointment, dismay, mass hysteria and a sense that we exploited a loophole.

 

[Coatigan]

This is complete nonsense. You have simply misunderstood. Please don’t misquote me. I’ve been very clear how and who can appeal and to where.

No, it is not.

You may have understood whatever the difference you know, but in your abruptness of responding and 'shooting down' discussion, it ended up broadbrushed.

As I said above, zero issue with you getting things wrong. It is with the 'stefan said' posters that have taken the same from it and continue to run with it despite now 3 events otherwise.

There is another observation I was going to point out, but in fairness wrong timing and context and could be taken poorly just now so will come back to it.

 

[Champions again in 2012]

Not really city related but given united's losses over 3 years and the seemingly generous exemptions that they have been allowed to claim, who decides what exemptions will / will not be permitted. How do clubs get to compare and contrast what one group has been permitted and another declined eg what United have been allowed versus what Everton were declined, bearing in mind Everton have a shiny new stadium whilst United have the 3rd highest waterfall in the uk when we have heavy rain.

Apologies if wrong thread

 

[Chappie]

After a few hours kip I have woken up and still believe the red tops and a healthy pack of water carriers will form their own league after we are exonerated.

I'm sure the same lot of supporters who blocked it last time will wave it through this time !!!

 

[dickie davies]

When we get cleared the media will be in a state of disarray and totally unprepared about what to broadcast as this scenario (1 of 3 potential outcomes: cleared of everything, guilty of some, guilty of all) has not even entered their heads. I need to get a big bag of popcorn in for that day.

On the morning of the CAS verdict, I was driving so had Talkshite on
It was a woman presenter along with two males (sure they were former footballers) and the build up to 9am, when the decision was officially released, was all about "what next for City when they're banned from Europe" etc

They went to the reporter outside CAS who spoke of the decision that City had been successful in its appeal, cleared of all the major charges and had the non cooperation fine reduced substantially

They went back to the studio and it was silence. They had no idea what to do next as the show had been scripted for City's guilt

 

[Churchlawtonblue]

Not really city related but given united's losses over 3 years and the seemingly generous exemptions that they have been allowed to claim, who decides what exemptions will / will not be permitted. How do clubs get to compare and contrast what one group has been permitted and another declined eg what United have been allowed versus what Everton were declined, bearing in mind Everton have a shiny new stadium whilst United have the 3rd highest waterfall in the uk when we have heavy rain.

Apologies if wrong thread

Seems very arbitrary to me.

 

[Coatigan]

What discussion. Total rubbish

Ok, cheerio.