Keir Starmer

hcblue95 said:
I wouldn't say this is a left wing forum to be honest. Maybe you are more right wing than you think, or maybe I am more left wing than I think?
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The forum is left wing that's not up for debate really but the people who actually post on here I'm not so sure.
 
west didsblue said:
The riots were quite significant and he handled that well. Even so, it gave rise to a load of ridiculous criticism about two tier policing, releasing prisoners early to make room for Twitter criminals and other such nonsense.
Whatever he does, whether good or bad, his political opponents will look for angles to criticise him and to distract from their own shortcomings. Beergate was the perfect example of that.
In this case he has left himself open to legitimate criticism related to the freebies and it’s a bit embarrassing watching his front bench losing their own credibility in defending him over it.
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That’s fair. It is an unnecessary distraction and open goal that he’s left open, but one he can recover from reasonably easily.

He’s got 5 years to change the narrative. Whether he is able, we all shall see.
 
hilts said:
The forum is left wing that's not up for debate really but the people who actually post on here I'm not so sure.
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Course it's up for debate. The forum is predominantly 60 year old white men, it would be quite surprising if it was heavily left wing.

The Tories are deeply unpopular right now so it might seem left wing, but loads of the people who just voted for labour will have been on here in 2019 saying how Boris Johnson is the messiah.
 
west didsblue said:
Clearly not as annoyed as you.
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Wow you don't even now the difference between correction and annoyed. There wasn't even an insult in there. Think you need a breather from here if I'm honest. It's only a pointless forum. Not good for you getting this bothered, especially over politicians. Being genuine here.
 
hilts said:
Wow you don't even now the difference between correction and annoyed. There wasn't even an insult in there. Think you need a breather from here if I'm honest. It's only a pointless forum. Not good for you getting this bothered, especially over politicians. Being genuine here.
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I think it is worth getting bothered about ...they are all cunts.


There are a lot of people bothered about what Labour has done so early on.

It's madness and they have royally fucked right up.
 
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hilts said:
A lot on here would be, the % is always high on here during election time. Strangely though I've met s lot of Labour supporters who show signs of typical right wing tendencies.
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I am sure you may be right. Many are just shocked at what Labour have done and now this sleaze shit.

Years of Tory shit and now more shit. How much more can the public take of these cunts?
 
mancityvstoke said:
I think it is worth getting bothered about ...they are all cunts.


There are a lot of people bothered about what Labour has done so early on.

It's madness and they have royally fucked right up.
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I actually said when Labour got in that the political forum would flip.

Posters who defended the govt would now call them out
Posters who attacked the previous govt would now defend them
Whereas the Tories blamed the previous Labour govt Labour supporters would now blame the previous Tory govt or say they were worse.

Its happened pretty darn quickly tbh.

Yeah but the Tories....... has spread quicker than covid and it appears there is no cure coming. Certainly not for 5 years.

And if the cure is the Tories you can fuck that vaccine right off:-)
 
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hcblue95 said:
Course it's up for debate. The forum is predominantly 60 year old white men, it would be quite surprising if it was heavily left wing.

The Tories are deeply unpopular right now so it might seem left wing, but loads of the people who just voted for labour will have been on here in 2019 saying how Boris Johnson is the messiah.
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I can't remember the % poll on here for the last 2 general elections but Labour romped them. Its just a fact. If you say being Labour doesn't make someone left wing that I could get on board with.

It's a majority Labour voting forum though. That's just a fact.
 
hilts said:
Why is he running for election this week?


Is this another yeah but the Tories....... post. I'm joining the whataboutery club.

Whatabout the whataboutery
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The issue is that the Tories were soundly battered at the GE, and rightly so, for not just their incompetence but also their sheer hard faced behaviour.
Starmer told the electorate that this would change under his Premiership, so I'm confused why posters are still digging up news relating to people who are no longer in power.
 
hilts said:
The forum is left wing that's not up for debate really but the people who actually post on here I'm not so sure.
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Id say its more like a Grealish version of left wing, doesn't look like a left winger, spends a lot of time trying to cut inside to the more central position and occasionally find itself running over to the right hand side only to be called back by those in power.
 
Alan Harper's Tash said:
Until the laws change, he’s guilty of being naive, not corruption, as far as I can see.

Given not much else has happened since the election was won, this, along with WFA are the two avenues available for attacking him.

As soon as something major happens, this will be a damp squib.
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Lets forget about it then eh? Nothing to see here

You dont see the issue with him announcing the fuel cut on the same day his mrs was pictured in a £2k dress?
 
mackenzie said:
The issue is that the Tories were soundly battered at the GE, and rightly so, for not just their incompetence but also their sheer hard faced behaviour.
Starmer told the electorate that this would change under his Premiership, so I'm confused why posters are still digging up news relating to people who are no longer in power.
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If they can't argue the point some(not all) deflect and no matter how many times you tell them we ain't falling for it they continue. They have options

Be honest
Hide everytime their lot do domething wrong
Defend and deflect

You will never get an answer as to why they insist on the third.
 
mackenzie said:
The issue is that the Tories were soundly battered at the GE, and rightly so, for not just their incompetence but also their sheer hard faced behaviour.
Starmer told the electorate that this would change under his Premiership, so I'm confused why posters are still digging up news relating to people who are no longer in power.
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To try and justify the incompetence and sheer hard-faced behaviour of Starmer and his government.
They were sold the magic beans. The shiny new Labour government were going to right all of the wrongs. The adults would be in charge, so they were told. What they have got is a bunch of hypocrites who couldn't wait to put the boot into the old and the vulnerable, and have pushed their snouts firmly into the freebie trough. Sleaze follows them around like a bad smell and they have only been in power for a matter of weeks. It's not exactly what they were expecting, but they feel a desperate need to try and self-justify it now. A form of buyer's remorse or cognitive dissonance or maybe just plain old embarrassment.
 
PPT said:
To try and justify the incompetence and sheer hard-faced behaviour of Starmer and his government.
They were sold the magic beans. The shiny new Labour government were going to right all of the wrongs. The adults would be in charge, so they were told. What they have got is a bunch of hypocrites who couldn't wait to put the boot into the old and the vulnerable, and have pushed their snouts firmly into the freebie trough. Sleaze follows them around like a bad smell and they have only been in power for a matter of weeks. It's not exactly what they were expecting, but they feel a desperate need to try and self-justify it now. A form of buyer's remorse or cognitive dissonance or maybe just plain old embarrassment.
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Absolutely spot on mate.
 
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