North Stand Construction Discussion

[Gone for a Burton]

Increase in match day revenue. Which the club wants.

How many away seats are in SSL2? Let’s say 1000 for arguments sake. Probably slightly less?

1000x£30 = £3000. £3000x19 = £570,000.

If the SSL2 away end was turned into a City end.

Let’s go for an average of £60. Arsenal is currently £77 a seat.

1000x£60 = £60000. £6000x19 = £1,140,000.

£570,000 more per season. It will be more due to more expensive tickets, and maybe hospitality? City could quite easily make £1mill more a season from the away section on SSL2 than they do now.

Hellocity recently complained about the long queues of people waiting to get up to SSL3. Giving the current away end over to City fans would open another entrance and exit to SSL3. 1000+ away fans are currently using that entrance and exit.

Additionally, if City developed an 'away fans zone' in a tented village, on the triangle of land that abuts the coach park/ANR & ATW, the sale of F&B could be worth additional £££s and possibly goodwill from other clubs, particularly if away fans are advised to alight the metro at ASDA/ANR and straight into the away zone.

Finally, the police/licencing authorities may be in favour of having away fans in one location next to the stadium, rather than spread round the area/Central Manchester.

 

[jrb]

I wouldn't worry about it. We'll have been down to the North West Counties League and back to the PL before there's a shovel in the ground.

Lol!

Correction.

Foster isn’t designing the stadium.

The overall proposal is similar to the Etihad Campus, plans for the Collar site, now Holt Town.

Foster + Partners is set to be appointed by Manchester United to develop a masterplan for the Old Trafford Stadium District, covering the Club-owned land that surrounds the existing stadium.

The focus will be to design a world-class football destination and home for Manchester United fans, coupled with a wider masterplan comprising mixed-use developments which will benefit the local community, attract new residents, increase job provision, and make it a vibrant destination for visitors from Manchester, the UK and all around the world.

Foster + Partners to lead Old Trafford Stadium District masterplanning | Foster + Partners

Foster + Partners is a global studio for architecture, engineering, urban and landscape design, rooted in sustainability.

www.fosterandpartners.com

They want to be us.

 

[MikeF]

Additionally, if City developed an 'away fans zone' in a tented village, on the triangle of land that abuts the coach park/ANR & ATW, the sale of F&B could be worth additional £££s and possibly goodwill from other clubs, particularly if away fans are advised to alight the metro at ASDA/ANR and straight into the away zone.

Finally, the police/licencing authorities may be in favour of having away fans in one location next to the stadium, rather than spread round the area/Central Manchester.

Jesus, the tram system can’t cope with our fans let alone starting to promote the away fans using it!!

 

[Coatigan]

Off topic. Details in the Rag thread and a link.

Hmmm.

World-renowned global architecture studio, Foster + Partners, is set to be appointed by Manchester United to develop a masterplan for the Old Trafford Stadium District, covering the Club-owned land that surrounds the existing stadium

Fosters aren't what they used to be.

 

[jrb]

Additionally, if City developed an 'away fans zone' in a tented village, on the triangle of land that abuts the coach park/ANR & ATW, the sale of F&B could be worth additional £££s and possibly goodwill from other clubs, particularly if away fans are advised to alight the metro at ASDA/ANR and straight into the away zone.

Finally, the police/licencing authorities may be in favour of having away fans in one location next to the stadium, rather than spread round the area/Central Manchester.

There’d have to be some reconfiguring of the entrances and exits, but it’s definitely doable. And the away coach park would still be accessible for all the away fans coming out of L1.

 

[jrb]

Fosters aren't what they used to be.

We’ll find out in the future. The Rags could have gone for a cheaper option. It’s another good PR story as well. To add to all the other good PR stories. A Manchester lad. One of the most famous architects in the world. Involved in the design and redevelopment of Old Trafford.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

Jesus, the tram system can’t cope with our fans let alone starting to promote the away fans using it!!

They already use it....and enjoy being twats on JMW, around the CB coach welcome, and the forecourt area.

Advise those users to alight at ASDA/ANR and go straight into the security zone via a new entrance at the junction of ATW/ANR adjacent to the Nexon Bridge.

 

[richards30]

Lol!

Correction.

Foster isn’t designing the stadium.

The overall proposal is similar to the Etihad Campus, plans for the Collar site, now Holt Town.

Foster + Partners is set to be appointed by Manchester United to develop a masterplan for the Old Trafford Stadium District, covering the Club-owned land that surrounds the existing stadium.

The focus will be to design a world-class football destination and home for Manchester United fans, coupled with a wider masterplan comprising mixed-use developments which will benefit the local community, attract new residents, increase job provision, and make it a vibrant destination for visitors from Manchester, the UK and all around the world.

Foster + Partners to lead Old Trafford Stadium District masterplanning | Foster + Partners

Foster + Partners is a global studio for architecture, engineering, urban and landscape design, rooted in sustainability.

www.fosterandpartners.com

They want to be us.

So Omar told them what we had planned then and now they are trying to copy it

 

[DiscoSteve]

Anyone know what happened to the North Stand Expansion thread?

yeah we're not interested in where fans are going to sit in the stadium when the extension is done - this thread is for the ongoing build of the extension - wheres jrb when we need him? cpoverview is unavailable at the mo though

 

[Gone for a Burton]

There’d have to be some reconfiguring of the entrances and exits, but it’s definitely doable. And the away coach park would still be accessible for all the away fans coming out of L1.

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Any reconfiguration will be minimal as most of the access/egress points currently exist.

The security fence would require moving, along with the internal segregation barriers/walls, but it would probably be a case of re using rather than renewing.

Shifting away fans off the metro at ASDA/ANR straight in to the security zone via new entrances will be a benefit to everyone.

Where there's a will there's a way !!

 

[richards30]

Anyone know what happened to the North Stand Expansion thread?

Nothing to report mate in fairness besides the pictures many on here only put up! Hopefully the club plan to show us some updates soon

 

[Coatigan]

We’ll find out in the future. The Rags could have gone for a cheaper option. It’s another good PR story as well. To add to all the other good PR stories. A Manchester lad. One of the most famous architects in the world. Involved in the design and redevelopment of Old Trafford.

There's a discussion there, but not for this thread. Agree with all that btw. But they aren't what they used to be, beyond the name, and haven't been for a while.

 

[DiscoSteve]

Jesus, the tram system can’t cope with our fans let alone starting to promote the away fans using it!!

make the f**kers walk down to Ashburys instead then - seems sensible to me, keeps them proper away from us

 

[pride in battle]

I don't remember seeing or hearing away fans influencing the games at Liverpool, Arsenal, Spurs, etc. What I do hear is little or no noise from those away sections on the pitch side corners. Compare that to the noise and support 1000+ away fans generate on SSL3.

Fair point.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

yeah we're not interested in where fans are going to sit in the stadium when the extension is done - this thread is for the ongoing build of the extension - wheres jrb when we need him? cpoverview is unavailable at the mo though

One naturally leads to another.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

make the f**kers walk down to Ashburys instead then - seems sensible to me, keeps them proper away from us

Post match, allocate them a couple of timed trams (ie 25 & 35 minute post match departures) to shift them straight to Picc. and out of the area.

Before and after the allocated times, it's City fans only.

 

[Francis Crawford]

CONTINUED.....Their physical location in the ground is arguably one of the poorest viewing positions in the stadium and the 'noise' generated doesn't spread and often competes with that of the SS.

IF IF IF their interest is focused on improving the atmosphere (hence the reason for relocating in the first place) their are no valid reasons for not joining in with thousands of other like minded fans but in superior viewing positions.

Lastly, if the Police/Licencing Authority/Club don't see the logic and value of no away fans hurling coins & other injury causing objects from height on to City fans, or away fans being directed to alight the metro at ASDA/ANR thus avoiding the new fan zone & CB coach welcome, they need changing too.

Common sense isn't very common these days !!

But do u really think that away fans -a high proportion well oiled for the match will respectfully stay on the team to the next stop at Asda ?
As soon as the doors open ,they will just get off !
Also ,some of the trams terminate at the Etihad ?

And finally ,and most importantly,u expect away fans who are probably not familiar with the stadium to get off at one stop at the Etihad velopark before the game then go to another stop after the game to get the tram back into Manchester as the velopark stop does not open after the game as the platforms are to short to accommodate the number of fans ?

Never going to happen !

 

[Gone for a Burton]

But do u really think that away fans -a high proportion well oiled for the match will respectfully stay on the team to the next stop at Asda ?
As soon as the doors open ,they will just get off !
Also ,some of the trams terminate at the Etihad ?

And finally ,and most importantly,u expect away fans who are probably not familiar with the stadium to get off at one stop at the Etihad velopark before the game then go to another stop after the game to get the tram back into Manchester as the velopark stop does not open after the game as the platforms are to short to accommodate the number of fans ?

Never going to happen !

Most things are possible with goodwill, good communication and good management.

My only reference to access/egress for away fans has been at ASDA/ANR where does the velopark enter the conversation ?

I rarely use the metro, am I missing something ?

Finally things change, what is custom and practice today may be different in 12 months....the only things that’s constant is change !!

 

[jrb]

yeah we're not interested in where fans are going to sit in the stadium when the extension is done - this thread is for the ongoing build of the extension - wheres jrb when we need him? cpoverview is unavailable at the mo though

I might do a picture update on Sunday if I have time? I’m going down early to get the drop down banner and flags ready with the other 1894 lads before the Arsenal game.

 

[HelloCity]

yeah we're not interested in where fans are going to sit in the stadium when the extension is done - this thread is for the ongoing build of the extension - wheres jrb when we need him? cpoverview is unavailable at the mo though

Usually bringing up United’s plans these days… :)