Slovan Bratislava (A) | CL | Post Match Thread

Nelinho said:
Don't know about the match thread, I've been avoiding it for months...

Not really in the mood, there are a lot to be said, but a) this is not the right thread and b) I need some time to write a piece the way I want to. And time is something I don't have these days...

So let me put it this way, as briefly as poosible: All these people complaining about the CL format and the quality of our performance tonight, in what universe do they live? October 2nd, as I'm typing these lines, a mountain to climb ahead of us. If these people had any clue about the situation the team is facing, any clue at all, they would be delighted. Because our objectives tonight were accomplished at around 80-90%, I would say. I'm not going to elaborate on that, but I'm happy...

Actually I was screaming in Phil's goal (our second, 0-2). No, the game was not yet done, but you saw the impact on the opposistion. Lost most of their faith / hope, motivation dropped dramatically, very close to giving up (including their manager on the bench, his body language told the whole story). It was City's performance in the opening minutes of the match which made this happen. And we kept going, creating chances, hitting the post etc, while effectively controlling the match. With Slovan players losing their minds, terrified. Eventually they became a shadow of a team: The effect of intimidation. Again, it was us, it was City who were responsible for this. That's how far we have progressed...

Erling makes it 0-3 on 58' and we breathe. It's where the game is put to bed. And in 2 fucking minutes the man gets him the fuck out of there (same with Manuel, also expected). Which is a relief. Josko and Phil will follow on 78'. Mateo and Bernardo rested, Kyle and Jack participating for less than 15 minutes. Good! But our two young, talented, yet inexperienced wingers (plus Rico) will stay on the pitch till the end. A must win match in 4 days at home -and they're not exactly used to playing that frequently, plus they both have a history with injuries (which means, we have to be careful with them). Sure, the game in question wasn't extremely demanding (exactly because we made it easy, as I've said), it's still 90 minutes though...

With the exception of like 2 + 2 seniors (plus GKs), you have a squad that has missed preseason. You have people building fitness, you have people seeking form, you have people who have already faced let's say minor injuries and need to find their rhythme again. You also have people young and inexperienced, far away from the finished article, developing. All the above, while participating in must win official matches! Finally -and unsurprisingly- you have important, even key players who have suffered serious injuries and will be missed for weeks or months. Most importantly, you have an irrationally (let's pray we won't have to use the adverb "criminally" instead) small squad, the limitations of which in specific positions (yes, the noun in plural) are impossible to fathom...

With that in mind, tonight's match? a) Has to be won, b) adds to an extremely heavy schedule, c) since it cannot be avoided, we have to make the most of it. As I I've already said, there are people who need the minutes, each for different reasons. Pep approached the game with a calculated risk in mind, and once again his decisions were justified. Once again, the quality of his work shined. Rotation plus a lineup never tested before in an official match, still the boys fulfilled their roles and implemented the tactical instructions quite easily, almost effortlessly. Even in this unusual lineup, City were both tactically disciplined AND fluid, with the formation being a dynamic thing, evolving as we attacked, guaranteeing numerical superiority (and unpredictability) almost everywhere on the pitch. Forcing opposition to defend in numbers around their box so as to survive. An opposition starting making tactical adjustments early in the first half, continuing perhaps even more radically in the second half, yet never finding an answer. As I said, in the process they simply resigned...

I'm not saying we were perfect tonight. Because we could not be perfect, as simple as that. But the level displayed at Bratislava is not to be taken lightly. That would be idiotic, down to ignorance, arrogance, entitlement. You see, rotation is not easy. It's not superficial, like "you out, you in". It doesn't work like that. Otherwise any motherfucker operating as a manager would be able to apply it successfully. It refers to one of the most sensitive processes in modern football. It scares the shit out of managers. They cannot avoid it, they know they're practically obliged to use it, yet face serious difficulties in terms of controlling it. Extremely complicated, to say the least, for a series of reasons. If I start listing unsuccessful applications of rotation policy through the years, I will need pages. For a recent example at the very top level, how about asking Herr Hansi Flick what happened at Osanuna last weekend? Where his team conceded four (!) goals (and lost the match). With Madrid 3 points behind, as we speak, even though they did not win at the Metropolitano. Why exactly is it a given that a midfield of Ilkay, Matheus plus Phil, will work? In a must win CL match away? Why? None of these three are ready at the moment, for different reasons each. None...

To conclude this: Either we do not understand or we pretend we do not understand what is going on -and I don't know which is worse, if I'm being honest. For what is worth, the team is living dangerously -and we're only in the beginning of a very VERY long season. The team will give everything, as always, but it is a team facing serious problems, for a 5th consecutive season. Which means, the team is bound to suffer, prepare yourselves to suffer with the boys...

PS. For the well known gentleman in the media: We are currently 4th. Just saying, asshole (don't worry, tomorrow night we will drop a bit again, so you'll be happy)...
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Thank you for writing a short post.
 
East Level 2 said:
Format is irrelevant. That could have been pot 4 v pot 1 in any of the last few seasons unless Slovan are rated from 33rd to 36th by UEFA.
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Theres teams that should be nowhere near Europe's premier tournament and it equates to even more games so the format is kinda relevant.
 
baggy said:
Theres teams that should be nowhere near Europe's premier tournament and it equates to even more games so the format is kinda relevant.
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Why should the champions of a country, that has played 3 qualifying rounds, be nowhere near Europe’s premier tournament?
 
Rather play O'Reily than Nunes who for me for 55m is the biggest waste of money we have ever spent! Because we paid that much he starts before a couple of our youth players! Of the pitch though he looks a great guy happy guy who has gelled with the players!

Doku needs to be told when at the byline you can cross it in the air
 
Cellarite said:
TNT weren’t “dissing” us. They were quite rightly amazed that we hadn’t scored more given our dominance.
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Constantly telling everyone who would listen that Celtic put 5 past them and there's no way Bayern won't score more than 2 against them, and maybe GD might be in the back of Peps mind.
I saw it differently I'm afraid
 
KS55 said:
Pep has regularly praised McAtee and said his first City goal will give him a real boost. Pep described him as ‘adorable’ which is bit odd. Ours not to reason why….
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Humble, keen to learn and improve. Watched him play when he came on. His movement across the front line was excellent. Unfortunately the pass rarely came. Pep confirmed he belongs now, and confidence will come with more game time. He reminds me a little of another slight midfielder in tight spaces.
 
Nelinho said:
Don't know about the match thread, I've been avoiding it for months...

Not really in the mood, there are a lot to be said, but a) this is not the right thread and b) I need some time to write a piece the way I want to. And time is something I don't have these days...

So let me put it this way, as briefly as poosible: All these people complaining about the CL format and the quality of our performance tonight, in what universe do they live? October 2nd, as I'm typing these lines, a mountain to climb ahead of us. If these people had any clue about the situation the team is facing, any clue at all, they would be delighted. Because our objectives tonight were accomplished at around 80-90%, I would say. I'm not going to elaborate on that, but I'm happy...

Actually I was screaming in Phil's goal (our second, 0-2). No, the game was not yet done, but you saw the impact on the opposistion. Lost most of their faith / hope, motivation dropped dramatically, very close to giving up (including their manager on the bench, his body language told the whole story). It was City's performance in the opening minutes of the match which made this happen. And we kept going, creating chances, hitting the post etc, while effectively controlling the match. With Slovan players losing their minds, terrified. Eventually they became a shadow of a team: The effect of intimidation. Again, it was us, it was City who were responsible for this. That's how far we have progressed...

Erling makes it 0-3 on 58' and we breathe. It's where the game is put to bed. And in 2 fucking minutes the man gets him the fuck out of there (same with Manuel, also expected). Which is a relief. Josko and Phil will follow on 78'. Mateo and Bernardo rested, Kyle and Jack participating for less than 15 minutes. Good! But our two young, talented, yet inexperienced wingers (plus Rico) will stay on the pitch till the end. A must win match in 4 days at home -and they're not exactly used to playing that frequently, plus they both have a history with injuries (which means, we have to be careful with them). Sure, the game in question wasn't extremely demanding (exactly because we made it easy, as I've said), it's still 90 minutes though...

With the exception of like 2 + 2 seniors (plus GKs), you have a squad that has missed preseason. You have people building fitness, you have people seeking form, you have people who have already faced let's say minor injuries and need to find their rhythme again. You also have people young and inexperienced, far away from the finished article, developing. All the above, while participating in must win official matches! Finally -and unsurprisingly- you have important, even key players who have suffered serious injuries and will be missed for weeks or months. Most importantly, you have an irrationally (let's pray we won't have to use the adverb "criminally" instead) small squad, the limitations of which in specific positions (yes, the noun in plural) are impossible to fathom...

With that in mind, tonight's match? a) Has to be won, b) adds to an extremely heavy schedule, c) since it cannot be avoided, we have to make the most of it. As I I've already said, there are people who need the minutes, each for different reasons. Pep approached the game with a calculated risk in mind, and once again his decisions were justified. Once again, the quality of his work shined. Rotation plus a lineup never tested before in an official match, still the boys fulfilled their roles and implemented the tactical instructions quite easily, almost effortlessly. Even in this unusual lineup, City were both tactically disciplined AND fluid, with the formation being a dynamic thing, evolving as we attacked, guaranteeing numerical superiority (and unpredictability) almost everywhere on the pitch. Forcing opposition to defend in numbers around their box so as to survive. An opposition starting making tactical adjustments early in the first half, continuing perhaps even more radically in the second half, yet never finding an answer. As I said, in the process they simply resigned...

I'm not saying we were perfect tonight. Because we could not be perfect, as simple as that. But the level displayed at Bratislava is not to be taken lightly. That would be idiotic, down to ignorance, arrogance, entitlement. You see, rotation is not easy. It's not superficial, like "you out, you in". It doesn't work like that. Otherwise any motherfucker operating as a manager would be able to apply it successfully. It refers to one of the most sensitive processes in modern football. It scares the shit out of managers. They cannot avoid it, they know they're practically obliged to use it, yet face serious difficulties in terms of controlling it. Extremely complicated, to say the least, for a series of reasons. If I start listing unsuccessful applications of rotation policy through the years, I will need pages. For a recent example at the very top level, how about asking Herr Hansi Flick what happened at Osanuna last weekend? Where his team conceded four (!) goals (and lost the match). With Madrid 3 points behind, as we speak, even though they did not win at the Metropolitano. Why exactly is it a given that a midfield of Ilkay, Matheus plus Phil, will work? In a must win CL match away? Why? None of these three are ready at the moment, for different reasons each. None...

To conclude this: Either we do not understand or we pretend we do not understand what is going on -and I don't know which is worse, if I'm being honest. For what is worth, the team is living dangerously -and we're only in the beginning of a very VERY long season. The team will give everything, as always, but it is a team facing serious problems, for a 5th consecutive season. Which means, the team is bound to suffer, prepare yourselves to suffer with the boys...

PS. For the well known gentleman in the media: We are currently 4th. Just saying, asshole (don't worry, tomorrow night we will drop a bit again, so you'll be happy)...
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You don’t have time :)
 
Kippax77 said:
Constantly telling everyone who would listen that Celtic put 5 past them and there's no way Bayern won't score more than 2 against them, and maybe GD might be in the back of Peps mind.
I saw it differently I'm afraid
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All good. They didn't say anything untrue though did they? They were also constantly saying they've rarely if ever seen such a gulf in class but it wasn't reflected on the scoreline.
 
baggy said:
Theres teams that should be nowhere near Europe's premier tournament and it equates to even more games so the format is kinda relevant.
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As I said, it could have been any pot 4 v pot 1 game. Two of the additional places went to teams from the top two nations so they'd have been a decent standard, and Slovan were champions and got through three qualifying rounds.
We could easily have played them had UEFA stuck to a champions only format.
We've won several away CL goals by four goals or more including against Sevilla and Feyenoord. Neither caused us significant problems.
Perhaps a European Super League would help us avoid such opponents.
 
Great to achieve such dominance without giving the media the opportunity to complain that we should have shown mercy if we'd scored "too many goals" and keeping it down to a more reasonable 4.
Another masterclass...
 
waspish said:
Rather play O'Reily than Nunes who for me for 55m is the biggest waste of money we have ever spent! Because we paid that much he starts before a couple of our youth players! Of the pitch though he looks a great guy happy guy who has gelled with the players!

Doku needs to be told when at the byline you can cross it in the air
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And we got him from Wolves to rekindle memories of Steve Daley. Another waste of money, but not as bad as Nunes appears to be.
 
Shazza458 said:
It’s the sort of game that Rodri would’ve given us a kick up the arse
Can never complain with a 4-0 away win plus we hits the post loads but felt like we were going through the motions at points, which I guess is expected.
Training match vibes
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I doubt Rodri would have played
 
gray740 said:
Over reaction on my behalf are you fucking kidding ,in fact are you even a blue ffs ? we won with a second team away in Europe with players coming back ,No your opinion is utter shite go and support the shite team down the road fucking corners ffs look at the big picture look at where we are ffs over entitled fuckwits everywhere .
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Now THAT is an over reaction!
 
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Every single year its the same at this time of year, we look slow, ponderous, performances arent where they should be, everybody moans, we are going to be left behind etc etc, its like city bingo but with our own fans and then as time goes on we start to look like ourselves and nobody learns and then rinse and repeat.
 
mancboy said:
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Every single year its the same at this time of year, we look slow, ponderous, performances arent where they should be, everybody moans, we are going to be left behind etc etc, its like city bingo but with our own fans and then as time goes on we start to look like ourselves and nobody learns and then rinse and repeat.
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Guilty as charged your honour. You've just made me realise that this year, I'm one of them. I'll check myself from here on in.
 
baggy said:
Theres teams that should be nowhere near Europe's premier tournament and it equates to even more games so the format is kinda relevant.
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The format is shite. UEFA have turned the CL into a club version of the meaningless Nations League. The old system was far from perfect but this new group system is a farce. McCoist and Fletcher told us at the start of the match they liked the new format then spent the rest of their commentary mocking Slovan and bemoaning the mismatch.
 
Thought I would try and figure out if Slovan Bratislava are one of the teams to have benefited from the expanded format. As it is their first time in the Group/league stage - you might think that it is. But, they have been steadily improving - from 1st Qalifying Round to to 3rd QR in previous years and in this years Play Off they played Midtjylland who were seeded above them, qualified as Danish champions - therefore finishing above Copenhagen who have regularly played in CL Group stages. That suggests that not only have Bratislava been improving but they worked their way to this stage on merit.

In the previous years the teams qualifying through the Champions path were Galatasaray, Copenhagen, Antwerp, Young Boys. - of which Antwerp finished 4th in group, Galatasaray and Young Boys 3rd and Copenhagen 2nd. Which might suggest that teams coming through that route deserve to be there. Of those only Young Boys have qualified this season.

This year the qualifiers are Young Boys, Dynamo Zagreb, Slovan Bratislava, Red Star Belgrade, Sparta Prague - of which, so far, only Sparta Prague have any points. Which suggests that these remain the teams who will fail to go any further in the competition. Yet, it can also be a chance for them to shine and improve - I'm sure Sparta Prague fans are enjoying it so far and wondering just how far they can go.

It's hard to know for sure - but I suspect Slovan Bratislava were playing well enough at the Qualifying Stage that they could have qualified in the previous format - but then they would have faced the same fate in a Group stage and found themselves the whipping boys. In this format they get to chances to play teams ranked similarly to themselves and four opportunities to see them play former European Champions. I suspect they will enjoy it whilst they can and then win their own league again to give themselves a chance a of improving for next year,
 
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