Blue Maverick
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He’s from Switzerland he’s on no one’s side, unless they have gold and money to hide ;)
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Blue Maverick
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Tbf it’s not even about religion now it’s about power and cunts. I reckon you out most Jews and Arabs into a town they’d live happily ever after if they didn’t have cunts in power stirring up trouble.
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I think we can all agree, old twats with egos who like to get young men to do their fighting and religion have alot of blood on their hands. All wars are essentially the same.
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In the long run the only solution is a viable Palestinian state, perhaps a major confrontation might bring this about by way of a peace settlement but lots of innocent people will die, mothers will lose sons on the battlefield and for what?
Israel quite rightly is a very insecure country blood curdling rhetoric from its neighbours does not help, a settlement of the Palestinian issue will pull the rug from under the extremists
Equally the dreams of the messianic extremists Jewish groups of a greater Israel will need to be quashed, most civilised democracies sideline their extremists
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Not sure I understand your question. Iran has its own highly developed arms industry but on global terms its funding is minuscule by comparison to the major players. That’s not to say they can’t do a lot on a limited budget but real cutting edge stuff is tens of billions just to develop and you need the manufacturing technology to produce it.
Wanting the total annihilation of the state of Israel has nothing to do with land and everything to do with a warped and evil religious ideology.
A Palestinian state tomorrow does not suddenly solve that issue and Israel is fully aware of that fact.
All these mortal enemies of Israel, Hamas, Hezbollah etc couldn’t give a rats arse for Palestinians. They are a convenient cause to pretend to care about whilst they go about their only true aim and in doing so, they do more harm to those they pretend to care about than anyone else.
Whoever thought 7th October wouldn’t have brought about the response so far and still to come is a liar. They knew full well what would happen, didn’t care and will never care.
Palestinian citizens are expendable collateral, convenient to hide amongst and equally convenient to use as they wage a media war using the dead, they’re responsible for because of their own tactics.
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Something tells me that Judaism would not be allowingly openly practiced without confrontation in such a scenario.
That's why a sensible two-state solution is the only viable option, IMO.
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I’m in full agreement, but sense doesn’t suit the cunts in power of either side.
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It's probably time for the one state solution tbh. It's the greatest way of getting rid of the religious and racial extremists coming from America, Europe of within Israel and Palestine and stirring the pot again.
Just checked the battle as I didn't know it. Wikipedia says 15,000 Jews fought with 1,400 Muslims. 93 Jewish dead and 18 Muslims.
Hardly a massacre. Bloody hell France and Britain death toll at Waterloo way more yet I wouldn't dream of using that as proof that France and Britain hate each other.
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I've read some nonsense on here, but suggesting the French aren't cunts is pushing it.
But if we helped Israel to avoid too much Iranian damage, shouldn't we help Iran avoid too much Israeli damage? Or is Israeli escalation OK? I'm sure you get the point.
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That's a very American point of view based on the need to show power, the Palestinian issue is the major cancer in the middle east true there are other issues such as economic development (poor people are ripe for the picking by extremists) there is no other way of solving this issue if violence continues after it has to be dealt with, but sitting on hands and kicking it into the long grass is not an option, you can't bomb a people into submission and claim to be a light of democracy
The insane thing is, it's going to happen sooner or later if we do it sooner a lot of blood can be spared
Netanyahu doesn't want the establishment of a Palestinian state. And was willing to kill an Israeli leader to prevent it.
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Two RAF Typhoon jets and a refuelling tanker left for Israel last night to help guard Israel.
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Jews were not all expelled from Medina.
Only the three Jew tribes Nadir, Qurayza and Qanuyna were eventually expelled.
Prior to expulsion (and for the most heinous Jews, death penalty) Jews were provided equal rights to other religions.
The reason why the specific Nadir, Qurayza and Qanuyna Jews were expelled were because of their belief in the Promised Land and that only Jews are deserving of the earth (dunya).
When Islam began governing both Medina and Mecca and surroundings, the Constitution of Medina was declared.
It declared equal rights for ALL religions and tribes and to protect the territory from outsider invasion. Declared by the Muslim governor Muhammad.
One example is tax. For Muslims, they annually had (and still now today they do) to pay for zakah. The collected zakah is then funded to 6 Muslim groups of the territory, viz.
1) fakir (very poor)
2) miskin (poor)
3) aul (someone who does the zakah)
4) hutang (those with severe debt)
5) ibnu sabil (wanderers who are homeless)
6) fisabilillah (volunteer soldiers to protect the territory and all the religious tribes within).
Those who are not in any one of the six above are required to pay tax (zakah).
For non-Muslims (i.e. Christians, Jews, Druze, Polytheists) they are not allowed to pay zakah, but its equivalent tax which is jizyah. The tax are of equivalent amount to zakah with the exception that the funds go to the non-Muslim very poor, poor, jizyah, those in severe debt, wanderers, and volunteer soldiers to protect the Medina-Mecca territory. The non-Muslim volunteer soldiers are called dhimmis and they are exempted from tax.
In general, the order of the Medina constitution is protection of all Medina and Meccan populace from external harm. Even because of the Constitution that Mohammad’s staunchest (the polytheist Abu Sufian supreme commander of the Quraisy Mecca) who only intent was to kill Muhammad in their many battles were eventually pacified and became Muhammad’s ally. Muhammad had every opportunity to assign death penalty to the person (Abu Sufian) who wanted to assassinate Muhammad, but Abu Sufian was forgiven and thus the polytheist Quraisy and the monotheistic Abrahamic religions became interfaith.
The only Jews expelled from Medina Mecca and their territories were the Nadir, Qanuyna and Qurayza because they were zealots who wanted to kill the governor and all Muslims so that the land is only Jew.
Add-on fact, the word zealot is Hebrew because Jews were the first known concept of zealotry (even before Japan shinobi (ninjas) and the Arab hashashins (ie. Assassins)). The most known Jew zealots being the Sicarii who killed any Jew person against monofaith. Thousands of Jew civilians were killed by the Sicarii Jews.
During the Greco-Roman Caesarea age, many years before Islam came to be, the zealots and Sicarii were the militia (extremists) who killed civilians including moderate Jews.
The equivalent of extremists in today’s age include the Kahanist (Kach and Eyal being two of them), the Irgun, Palmach, Lehi, and earlier in the 1930s the ZFG in Nazi Germany, and the RZI in fascist Italy.
ZFG was headed by Jabotinsky who founded Betar, and RZI was headed by Weizmann who followed Jabotinsky’s Betar. Betar is pro-fascism and fascist state. Their Beitar fatigue is fascism.
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Its a pity they don't guard the poor women and children in Palestine.
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Easy to say that now while ignoring the historic rejection of the two state solution by the Arabs of Palestine.
First the Peel commission report was rejected. Then the League of Nations recommendations was rejected. Next is the Camp David accord. Every rejection is followed with an attack on the Jewish population.
Why do we always like to place a burden on the Jewish people that no other country in the world would accept?
In the context of today, Israel traded land for peace with Egypt. No wars between these countries to date.
Israel traded land for peace with the Palestinians in Gaza. They did not get the peace they wanted. they have every right to reclaim the land they won from Egypt.
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kaz7
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I hate this , wtf are we sending our airforce to shoot down missles for israel , us and the yanks should be saying you have done enough in gaza and if you choose to be the agressors then you shoot your own missles down , we are enabling them and the idf under that horrible leader are out of control
Interesting. Thanks for posting.Jews were not all expelled from Medina.
Only the three Jew tribes Nadir, Qurayza and Qanuyna were eventually expelled.
Prior to expulsion (and for the most heinous Jews, death penalty) Jews were provided equal rights to other religions.
The reason why the specific Nadir, Qurayza and Qanuyna Jews were expelled were because of their belief in the Promised Land and that only Jews are deserving of the earth (dunya).
When Islam began governing both Medina and Mecca and surroundings, the Constitution of Medina was declared.
It declared equal rights for ALL religions and tribes and to protect the territory from outsider invasion. Declared by the Muslim governor Muhammad.
One example is tax. For Muslims, they annually had (and still now today they do) to pay for zakah. The collected zakah is then funded to 6 Muslim groups of the territory, viz.
1) fakir (very poor)
2) miskin (poor)
3) aul (someone who does the zakah)
4) hutang (those with severe debt)
5) ibnu sabil (wanderers who are homeless)
6) fisabilillah (volunteer soldiers to protect the territory and all the religious tribes within).
Those who are not in any one of the six above are required to pay tax (zakah).
For non-Muslims (i.e. Christians, Jews, Druze, Polytheists) they are not allowed to pay zakah, but its equivalent tax which is jizyah. The tax are of equivalent amount to zakah with the exception that the funds go to the non-Muslim very poor, poor, jizyah, those in severe debt, wanderers, and volunteer soldiers to protect the Medina-Mecca territory. The non-Muslim volunteer soldiers are called dhimmis and they are exempted from tax.
In general, the order of the Medina constitution is protection of all Medina and Meccan populace from external harm. Even because of the Constitution that Mohammad’s staunchest (the polytheist Abu Sufian supreme commander of the Quraisy Mecca) who only intent was to kill Muhammad in their many battles were eventually pacified and became Muhammad’s ally. Muhammad had every opportunity to assign death penalty to the person (Abu Sufian) who wanted to assassinate Muhammad, but Abu Sufian was forgiven and thus the polytheist Quraisy and the monotheistic Abrahamic religions became interfaith.
The only Jews expelled from Medina Mecca and their territories were the Nadir, Qanuyna and Qurayza because they were zealots who wanted to kill the governor and all Muslims so that the land is only Jew.
Add-on fact, the word zealot is Hebrew because Jews were the first known concept of zealotry (even before Japan shinobi (ninjas) and the Arab hashashins (ie. Assassins)). The most known Jew zealots being the Sicarii who killed any Jew person against monofaith. Thousands of Jew civilians were killed by the Sicarii Jews.
During the Greco-Roman Caesarea age, many years before Islam came to be, the zealots and Sicarii were the militia (extremists) who killed civilians including moderate Jews.
The equivalent of extremists in today’s age include the Kahanist (Kach and Eyal being two of them), the Irgun, Palmach, Lehi, and earlier in the 1930s the ZFG in Nazi Germany, and the RZI in fascist Italy.
ZFG was headed by Jabotinsky who founded Betar, and RZI was headed by Weizmann who followed Jabotinsky’s Betar. Betar is pro-fascism and fascist state. Their Beitar fatigue is fascism.