North Stand expansion - seating, ticketing etc

[HelloCity]

"The South Stand which is split".....

It doesn't have to be.

Shift away fans out of SS2/3 down to ES1/SS1 round the corner flag. The worst location in the stadium.

Make SS2/3 all City with the relocated 'singing section'. The second home end atmosphere should be excellent.

Additionally, the lounges should generate more income and dangerous missiles landing on innocent City fans should be eliminated.

Finally, City fans will still be close to away fans without any compromise of segregation,safety or logistics.

Two atmosphere ends are better than one !!

This fantasy is never happening.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

This fantasy is never happening.

Please explain why the entire logic of this is impossible ( putting aside petty beauracracy and GMP incompetence).

There are NO valid cost, safety, segregation or logistics reasons....just woke nonsense.

In 2007 did you ever think that what has happened to the club would've happened ??

Everything is possible with the right ingredients.

 

[jrb]

Did anyone else pick up on this?

Can anyone clarify where this ‘food hall, along with premium seated areas’ will be located on the NS? Where will that (additional?) premium seated area be located? I don’t think it is, is it the hotel restaurant at the back of the floating 3rd tier? That won’t be classed as a food hall.

We all know where the premium bar is going at the front of NSL2

We (City) will also introduce ‘new premium seated areas’ in the expanded North Stand. This includes a 500-seat food hall, while a premium bar, located where the previous Hospitality Boxes were, will have space for around 300 fans.

 

[HelloCity]

Please explain why the entire logic of this is impossible ( putting aside petty beauracracy and GMP incompetence).

There are NO valid cost, safety, segregation or logistics reasons....just woke nonsense.

In 2007 did you ever think that what has happened to the club would've happened ??

Everything is possible with the right ingredients.

FFS haha!

Who wants to have away fans taking up from the SS corner to near the half way line and facing the TV cameras? Our bottom tier is smaller than the one at Spurs (as an example) which means they'd be stretched longer along the side line. It would give them way too much exposure and impact having that many away fans going along the pitch.

The current turnstiles / away coach park are also designed so that they feed into each other. Having them in ESL1 would mean their entry point(s) were in and around where City fans enter the ground (the spirals).

You also mention ESL1 being the worst area of the ground but the along the side of the pitch is considered a prime seating location in terms of costs. The club would have to price the seats at £30 for away fans and thus lose revenue.

 

[jrb]

Please explain why the entire logic of this is impossible ( putting aside petty beauracracy and GMP incompetence).

There are NO valid cost, safety, segregation or logistics reasons....just woke nonsense.

In 2007 did you ever think that what has happened to the club would've happened ??

Everything is possible with the right ingredients.

In theory, as we’ve discussed, it can be done.

It’s whether the club, GMP, and the licensing authorities are prepared to make that happen. Starting with the club. I very much doubt they will.

The issue is, could City accommodate close to 2000 extra away fans from SSL3 and SSL2 into ESL1? That would take more blocks than 111, 110, and 109. That would start eating into additional ESL1 home blocks, and the ESL1 home concourse.

Then there is the upheaval of moving home fans out of 111, 110, 109, and maybe 108?

It would be easier to move the away fans just from SSL3, and leave the away fans in SSL2. That away you could fit the ESL3 away fans into blocks 111, 110, and 109. That would give the home fans on SSL3, 1000+ rail seats. :-) The issue then is home fans on SSL3 being above away fans, which wouldn’t be allowed. Is there another ground in the PL where that happens?

As it is, it would be great to stick all the away fans into the ESL1 corner, but there are too many issues for that to happen, sadly.

 

[Jesus H Gabz]

"The South Stand which is split".....

It doesn't have to be.

Shift away fans out of SS2/3 down to ES1/SS1 round the corner flag. The worst location in the stadium.

Make SS2/3 all City with the relocated 'singing section'. The second home end atmosphere should be excellent.

Additionally, the lounges should generate more income and dangerous missiles landing on innocent City fans should be eliminated.

Finally, City fans will still be close to away fans without any compromise of segregation,safety or logistics.

Two atmosphere ends are better than one !!

If we’re all honest the atmosphere is just too fragmented, it’s why new songs very rarely take off (other than KC & SS) its why only the classics reverberate around the stadium and even that’s mainly in the big games.
In a perfect world (in terms of generating atmosphere) the 1894 guys get looked after and placed in a good location in the NS, they’re replaced in the SS by the folks over in KC, away fans have the full corner on level 1 & SS3 is made entirely safe standing.
That does sound like a lot of upheaval, but it’s very doable, and something that works at countless stadiums. I understand the guys over in KC might not want to move, but they’ll have 2-3 options and save a few quid, still stand & get to banter away fans etc.
This is a genuine once in a generation opportunity & I really hope they get it right whatever they choose

 

[Coatigan]

Did anyone else pick up on this?

Can anyone clarify where this ‘food hall, along with premium seated areas’ will be located on the NS? Where will that (additional?) premium seated area be located? I don’t think it is, is it the hotel restaurant at the back of the floating 3rd tier? That won’t be classed as a food hall.

We all know where the premium bar is going at the front of NSL2

We (City) will also introduce ‘new premium seated areas’ in the expanded North Stand. This includes a 500-seat food hall, while a premium bar, located where the previous Hospitality Boxes were, will have space for around 300 fans.

Yep, I mentioned it a couple times but nobody seemed to notice, as we were debating bigger things.

Down to interpretation, but I take the 500 seahafood hall as part of the city hall on the main concourse around the GA+ bar. Effectively just food stalls amongst the bars and loose shared seating. Nothing odd in that I would say. Purely how I read it, could be wrong.

I find the last line of that paragraph, pretty much the GA+ bar a bit more interesting though. But it is purely my own speculation and conjecture. Could actually be a good thing innthe long run.

 

[jrb]

One thing I did notice about the NS configuration announcement by the club recently, was no mention of an official singing section on NSL2, similar to the official singing section, block 115 on SSL1.

 

[Coatigan]

One thing I did notice about the NS configuration announcement by the club recently, was no mention of an official singing section on NSL2, similar to the official singing section, block 115 on SSL1.

Do you think it is something the club can meaningfully state or commit to, at this stage?

 

[jrb]

Yep, I mentioned it a couple times but nobody seemed to notice, as we were debating bigger things.

Down to interpretation, but I take the 500 seahafood hall as part of the city hall on the main concourse around the GA+ bar. Effectively just food stalls amongst the bars and loose shared seating. Nothing odd in that I would say. Purely how I read it, could be wrong.

I find the last line of that paragraph, pretty much the GA+ bar a bit more interesting though. But it is purely my own speculation and conjecture. Could actually be a good thing innthe long run.

The way I read it, and I’m probably wrong, as I always am :-), is the 500 seat food hall, plus (500) additional premium seats, as well as the 300 GA+ premium seats at the front of NSL2.

Why would the club offer an exclusive and limited 500 seat food hall, and then offer normal GA seating? (do you understand what I mean?)

Maybe I’m reading too much into it?

 

[blueparrot]

Yep, I mentioned it a couple times but nobody seemed to notice, as we were debating bigger things.

Down to interpretation, but I take the 500 seahafood hall as part of the city hall on the main concourse around the GA+ bar. Effectively just food stalls amongst the bars and loose shared seating. Nothing odd in that I would say. Purely how I read it, could be wrong.

I find the last line of that paragraph, pretty much the GA+ bar a bit more interesting though. But it is purely my own speculation and conjecture. Could actually be a good thing innthe long run.

I'd expect something very similar to the bar and food area provided for the 93;20 seats. Assume it's part of the GA+ at the front of NS2.

 

[jrb]

Do you think it is something the club can meaningfully state or commit to, at this stage?

It wasn’t mentioned was it. There was no reason not to mention it if the club are planning to include a singing section within the initial 3000 rail seats.

 

[Coatigan]

I'd expect something very similar to the bar and food area provided for the 93;20 seats. Assume it's part of the GA+ at the front of NS2.

Do the 93:20 or Joes bars have booth seating in them out of interest? Those that would know.

 

[Coatigan]

It wasn’t mentioned was it. There was no reason not to mention it if the club are planning to include a singing section within the initial 3000 rail seats.

Agree. Just a question of the right timing imho.

 

[blueparrot]

Do the 93:20 or Joes bars have booth seating in them out of interest? Those that would know.

93;20 doesn't. Not been in Joes.


Joes.

 

[Coatigan]

The way I read it, and I’m probably wrong, as I always am :-), is the 500 seat food hall, plus (500) additional premium seats, as well as the 300 GA+ premium seats at the front of NSL2.

Why would the club offer an exclusive and limited 500 seat food hall, and then offer normal GA seating? (do you understand what I mean?)

Maybe I’m reading too much into it?

We are both no doubt reading too much into it.

I don't read it the same way as you, not with the additional plus bit.

The way I read it, while looking at the PA drawings. The premium seats (doesn't actually say how many or where, but let's assume the 648 block) will have access to a 500 seat food hall. Which I take as being within the grey zone if you would, that other GA regular seating will also have access to. They don't say that bit is premium, just that it is there. And ALSO, a premium bar, where the previous hospitality boxes were, for 300 people. That to me can be nothing othrer than the purple GA+ bar. The 300 is the interesting number though, with a couple of possible implications. a) booth seating. Which would make it a somewhat different offering to what is already around the grounds in joes and 93.20 bars b)an actual reduction from what is shown on the PA, which presumably would mean a reduction in the GA+ seat provision as well. Or c) different levels of offerings for the GA+ i.e for x amount you get a padded seat in a prime location but have to slum it with the others in the main concourse, or for y amount you get the same seat And access to a private bar with lesser capacity. Tenuous though.

To stress again, just my own reading into it and speculation.

 

[jrb]

We are both no doubt reading too much into it.

I don't read it the same way as you, not with the additional plus bit.

The way I read it, while looking at the PA drawings. The premium seats (doesn't actually say how many or where, but let's assume the 648 block) will have access to a 500 seat food hall. Which I take as being within the grey zone if you would, that other GA regular seating will also have access to. They don't say that bit is premium, just that it is there. And ALSO, a premium bar, where the previous hospitality boxes were, for 300 people. That to me can be nothing othrer than the purple GA+ bar. The 300 is the interesting number though, with a couple of possible implications. a) booth seating. Which would make it a somewhat different offering to what is already around the grounds in joes and 93.20 bars b)an actual reduction from what is shown on the PA, which presumably would mean a reduction in the GA+ seat provision as well. Or c) different levels of offerings for the GA+ i.e for x amount you get a padded seat in a prime location but have to slum it with the others in the main concourse, or for y amount you get the same seat And access to a private bar with lesser capacity. Tenuous though.

To stress again, just my own reading into it and speculation.

We all know about the 300 GA+ seats at the front of NSL2 and the attached bar under the stand.

It’s this mysterious match day 500 (limited) capacity food hall that is mentioned in the configuration press release. Which if I’m correct, nobody knew about until the press release. The seating, 500 seats, that I assume go with booking the food hall, are also a mystery. Is there going to be a block of 500 seats put aside for City fans who have paid extra and booked the match day, food hall? If there is, which I’m not saying there will be, as l/we don’t know, that will be 300 GA+ seats, and 500 food hall seats. Maybe the additional food hall cost only includes GA seats in the centre of NSL2? Who knows?

 

[blueparrot]

We all know about the 300 GA+ seats at the front of NSL2 and the attached bar under the stand.

It’s this mysterious match day 500 (limited) capacity food hall that is mentioned in the configuration press release. Which if I’m correct, nobody knew about until the press release. The seating, 500 seats, that I assume go with it, are also a mystery. Is there going to be a block of 500 seats put aside for City fans who have paid extra and booked the food hall? If there is, which I’m not saying there will be as l/we don’t know, that will be 300 GA+ seats, and 500 food hall seats. Maybe the additional food hall cost only includes GA seats in the centre of NSL2? Who knows?

I thought we knew about the roughly 700 GA+ seats at the front, so maybe up to 300 in the bar area and up to 500 in the foodhall area.

 

[Cheadle_hulmeBlue]

We (City) will also introduce ‘new premium seated areas’ in the expanded North Stand. This includes a 500-seat food hall, while a premium bar, located where the previous Hospitality Boxes were, will have space for around 300 fans.

It might not be the case, but It would be pretty disappointing if the food hall was for premium seats only. It’s looking like if I did move there I won’t be using the food hall, premium bars, sky bar or the hotel.

Maybe it’ll mean cheaper tickets for most of the people in there who aren’t classed as GA/premium. It kind of feels like these ‘amazing’ add ons won’t be affordable for most people.

I was on a recent tour of the ground and about 80% was about the tunnel club and corporate, so it’s not a shock to see this is where the club are focused.

 

[jrb]

I thought we knew about the roughly 700 GA+ seats at the front, so maybe up to 300 in the bar area and up to 500 in the foodhall area.

I was under the impression, like most of us are, that the GA+ seats at the front of NSL2 were the only hospitality seats and area on NSL2, and the remaining seats on NSL2 were all GA and rail seating. Until the press release there was no mention of another match day hospitality (food hall) area.(and seating)

The vague configuration press release by the club further plays into the general confusion about the new North stand.