US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

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M23 Citizen said:
Another thing the Democrats did wrong was wheel out celebrity after celebrity (some who are even involved in the P Diddy and Jay Z shit). Not well-off hard working people will look at these millionaires and think, ‘fuck off, if it’s a positive for you and all your money, it probably isn’t a positive for me, so I’m not voting that way’.

Again I wonder how many Dem voters stayed at home?
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Unlike the republicans who were endorsed by Jon Voight, Russel Brand, Dennis Quaid, Mel Gibson, Kid Rock, Elon Musk, Joe Rogan, Mike Tyson and Hulk Hogan struggling to rip of his shirt at every rally.
 
Well I thought for months that he would win but that result is a big one. How wrong were all those polls?

He has been crystal clear in how ruthless and autocratic and even vindictive he wants to be, and he has been given a massive mandate to do it. This must be how Americans want it to be
 
franksinatra said:
It’s called behaving like an adult and statesmen.

Sometimes you have to work with people who you don’t particularly like or respect for the greater good.

The Labour government and Starmer in particular will have to swallow their pride and try and get the best outcome possible for the UK without compromising our own beliefs and being potentially tainted by association.

It’s a very challenging position.
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Or oleaginous greasing.
I’m not sure what the ‘special relationship’ offers the UK but it seems obligatory for every PM to mention it. Nobody else does.
 
TonyM said:
I thought she came across very well. It just seems that the USA is more brainwashed than her supporters hoped.
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Listening to a few UK podcasts one of the main accusations levelled at her was she never really sold a vision to the US electorate and her campaign was not bold enough.

Tactically it could be argued it was similar to Labours. More aimed at avoiding mistakes and providing policy which could be criticised and hoping the Republicans, and Trump in particular, would derail his own campaign.
 
moomba said:
China may be going well now but they're fucked when they get the bill to pay all of Trumps tariffs.
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But that isn't how tariffs work. If Trump imposes tariffs then it is Americans who will pay those tariffs. Import costs are paid by the importer, IE, passed onto the customer. Trump has said he'll fix inflation but tariffs increase inflation immediately.

Personally I think western countries need to stop the anti-China rhetoric. They're only going to become the largest economy by a long stretch so it makes sense to work with them and take advantage of that.
 
franksinatra said:
It’s called behaving like an adult and statesmen.

Sometimes you have to work with people who you don’t particularly like or respect for the greater good.
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That's true.

Whatever one thinks of Starmer, after years of grifters and the unhinged in Downing Street, we do, at the very least, have an adult in Number 10.

Starmer does not disgrace this country, which is more than can be said for his immediate predecessors.
 
Johnny Mars Bar said:
My view is what it has always been. The culture war stuff is a red herring and people vote with their wallets.

If you feel poorer than you did four years ago, you vote out the current government. Whether it's their fault or not it doesn't really matter, it's just how it works.

The post-covid inflation bubble has killed the Democrats' campaign, not all the 'woke vs anti woke' stuff. That's all just noise IMO. Same in this country. Look at when there are big changes in government, it's always the economy, stupid.

And that's an area where Harris and Biden consistently polled far behind Trump. Game over. I said it years ago.
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The perfect fumble said:
That's true.

Whatever one thinks of Starmer, after years of grifters and the unhinged in Downing Street, we do, at the very least, have an adult in Number 10.

Starmer does not disgrace this country, which is more than can be said for his immediate predecessors.
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I don’t like Starmer but I at least trust him to work for the best interests of the country which is definitely something you couldn’t say about most of the Tory PM’s over the last 14 years.
 
gordondaviesmoustache said:
Sorry to break it to you EB, but yes we have lost three on the bounce…
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Oh heckle meckle that was the first part of my nightmare so the second part must also be true!

Ok that’s me taking to my bed for the rest of the day! Whoops I’m too busy for that. I’ll just have a cuppa!!!
 
inbetween said:
But that isn't how tariffs work. If Trump imposes tariffs then it is Americans who will pay those tariffs. Import costs are paid by the importer, IE, pass onto the customer. Trump has said he'll fix inflation but tariffs increase inflation immediately.

Personally I think western countries need to stop the anti-China rhetoric. They're only going to become the largest economy by a long stretch so it makes sense to work with them and take advantage of that.
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Chinese goods even with the tariffs will still be cheaper and as you say the extra cost will be on the US taxpayer.
Agree about the rhetoric. We've already made it more costly doing business with the EU we don't really want to be pissing off another enormous market.
 
inbetween said:
But that isn't how tariffs work. If Trump imposes tariffs then it is Americans who will pay those tariffs. Import costs are paid by the importer, IE, passed onto the customer. Trump has said he'll fix inflation but tariffs increase inflation immediately.

Personally I think western countries need to stop the anti-China rhetoric. They're only going to become the largest economy by a long stretch so it makes sense to work with them and take advantage of that.
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I know. It was a play on Trump campaigning that tariffs would be paid by then originating country and not ultimately the American public buying the product.
 
I think this shock win is a message for all of us and certainly the government and next UK election.

Labour have to get the next couple of years right because if they don't then we're headed for this madness too.

Some areas of Europe are already going there.
 
The perfect fumble said:
That's true.

Whatever one thinks of Starmer, after years of grifters and the unhinged in Downing Street, we do, at the very least, have an adult in Number 10.

Starmer does not disgrace this country, which is more than can be said for his immediate predecessors.
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Very true, your last paragraph highlights how low the bar is now in politics sadly.

Not a criticism of Starmer by the way but just as you highlight the depressing state of politics and those governing, not just in the UK but across the globe.

More than any other time, in my lifetime, we require unity and cooperation and those governing appear to want to follow a very different path.
 
inbetween said:
I think this shock win is a message for all of us and certainly the government and next UK election.

Labour have to get the next couple of years right because if they don't then we're headed for this madness too.

Some areas of Europe are already going there.
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We beat them all to it. Brexit was the inspiration for a lot of work done for the first Trump campaign.
 
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