US Presidential Election, Nov 5th 2024

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Yes! Again, I already said I preferred his 4 years to Biden's. But I generally tend to protest vote the Presidential elections.

Other than Obama, I've generally 3rd party voted. Greens when I was younger, Libertarian in my older age.
But now I can add Trump to my list of major candidates I've voted for. And I did so happily.

You strike me as a contrarian and there's no law against that so have at it.

However if in your head you have somehow rationalised that voting for Trump isn't facilitating hatred then you are utterly deluding yourself.
 
I won't treat your personal story with the indifference and derision with which you've treated mine in the past.

I am disappointed some asshole did that to your daughter. I deeply dislike people who treat poorly simply because you disagree with them.

On these political chats, I receive a disproportionate amount of the abuse for simply disagreeing.

Thus, I empathize with your daughter and wish her the best. And hope she finds safe ways to deal with these bullies.


I'm not sure Trump is a good candidate. I had 2 opportunities to vote for him prior and chose not to.

Yes, it is true that I don't like leftist policies. But I generally tend to fight those locally where it most affects me personally.

But, for what it's worth, I preferred his administration to that of the current regime. I liked the reduction in illegal immigration, the good economy, low gas prices etc. Many have argued these weren't his doing, just a lucky idiot to be around when it occurred.

I liked his foreign policy World View. Which for better or worse can be summarized as let's make deals not war.

So even though I didn't vote for him the prior 2 times I actually did prefer the outcomes during his administration.

But as importantly, I specifically have an antipathy towards people who try to stop their political opposition anywhere other than the ballot box.

in 2019ish back when Foggy was more cordial, he'd often point out how terrible of a person Trump was, and i'd point out that if he was as terrible as Foggy believed, surely the voters will note it and vote him out. But, somehow the anti-Trump brigade never seemed to have enough faith in the electorate to vote who they clearly saw as a horrific President.

They'd rather he was impeached on some trumped up charges or jailed for failing to declare he paid Stormy Daniels.

I personally would rather put my faith in the hands of the American electorate.So As I condemned the riots of January 6th and his boorish behavior post the 2020 election, I equally condemn the lawfare and attempts to imprison or bankrupt him. I have seen that before in a Country far far away where Democracy often used to struggle.

But if you really want to know why I voted for him... It's quite simple. I voted for him because they tried to kill him and those who disagreed with him rejoiced.

Not just here... Everywhere. I found the giddiness about his close call with death repulsive. I found the memory-holing of the event despicable.

Id rather stand with him, than with those who felt giddy about him being nearly killed and wished he was, simply because he wanted to be President again.


That's why I voted for him. Openly so.


And if I might add, I'll never regret it.
Just for clarity, who exactly are the "they" who tried to kill him?
 
That is so depressing to read and I feel incredibly sorry for your daughter and for you. I find that one of the most worrying aspects in terms of how much we’ve allowed the current division and rhetoric to get into the next generation already. I’ve got three kids in education at different levels and they’ve experienced similar.

Your daughter’s at college, my son is a similar age. They shouldn’t be worrying about politics, at least to the point of creating division, at their age, they should be having fun and meeting people and understanding them and getting to know them without prejudice.

I have long thought we’re going to be the first generation in a long time to pass down a worse legacy to the next than we inherited (well, it’s between mine and my parents generation) and that depresses me more than anything.

Young american boys and girls who are living in Europe are incredibly educated.

All of them. Democrats or republicans or apolitical. From Texas or from New York.

Calm, interested in local culture, respectful, mature...

Being interested in politics is a sign of intelligence.

I have a theory that they are youngs guys whose parents are economically middle class or upper class and that is why they have the opportunity to live a year or two in Europe. It is impossible for ALL young Americans to be like this.

20 years ago when I was young, I saw the difference between an American girl and a Spanish girl.

American girls very educated, fascinated by the European world and for the local culture where they were living, capable of feeling INTELLECTUAL ATTRACTION FOR A MAN...

Spanish girls don't give a shit cultures or policy, just giving drama and being attracted for "garrulos" (garrulo = Sergio Ramos, Wayne Rooney, Eminem... you understand the concept).


The stereotype that Americans are uneducated is ABSOLUTELY FALSE.
 
Which is fine. Him having assassination attempts as a reason for doing it isn’t one I’d agree with.
I suppose it's deeper and more personal for me.
You strike me as a contrarian and there's no law against that so have at it.
Fair enough. I don't deny having been called that many times before.

However if in your head you have somehow rationalised that voting for Trump isn't facilitating hatred then you are utterly deluding yourself.
facilitating hatred? How so? Do you mind expanding on that a bit.
 
Spanish girls don't give a shit cultures or policy, just giving drama and being attracted for "garrulos" (garrulo = Sergio Ramos, Wayne Rooney, Eminem... you understand the concept).

In a thread that's quite depressing from a number of perspectives, seeing Sergio Ramos, The Granny Shagger and Eminem bracketed together is slightly bizarre but welcome light relief!
 
Then why he still get vote from a woman in election and very highly too. None is able to answer this question.
'How can he be a misogynist, he hired a woman" is like saying "I''m not racist, I have black friend's".

The majority of female trump voters wouldn't be able to pick E Jean Carroll or Stormy Danies out in a line up. They've probably heard the names, but don't understand the context because they get all their 'news' from Fox or Newsmax.
 
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Just for clarity, who exactly are the "they" who tried to kill him?
I don't particularly remember the names of the 2 attempted murderers and I o really don't care for them or their potential handlers if they had any.
 
Young american boys and girls who are living in Europe are incredibly educated.

All of them. Democrats or republicans or apolitical. From Texas or from New York.

Calm, interested in local culture, respectful, mature...

Being interested in politics is a sign of intelligence.

I have a theory that they are youngs guys whose parents are economically middle class or upper class and that is why they have the opportunity to live a year or two in Europe. It is impossible for ALL young Americans to be like this.

20 years ago when I was young, I saw the difference between an American girl and a Spanish girl.

American girls very educated, fascinated by the European world and for the local culture where they were living, capable of feeling INTELLECTUAL ATTRACTION FOR A MAN...

Spanish girls don't give a shit cultures or policy, just giving drama and being attracted for "garrulos" (garrulo = Sergio Ramos, Wayne Rooney, Eminem... you understand the concept).


The stereotype that Americans are uneducated is ABSOLUTELY FALSE.
Many are book smart, but when it comes to politics they simply refuse to be objective. I work with several college educated engineering types who are properly clever, but when it comes to their politics they simply don't care to see the big picture. It's black and white, straight down the line Trump supporters
 
The majority of female trump voters wouldn't be able to pick E Jean Carroll or Stormy Danies out in a line up. They've probably heard the names, but don't understand the context because they get all their 'news' from Fox or Newsmax.

www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-judge-rejects-trump-request-new-trial-e-jean-carroll-must-pay-83-million

I don't think so, the content of article from Fox News is pretty damning and surelly will not get vote from female voters in election. Yet it didn't budge female voters to vote for him.
 
www.foxnews.com/politics/federal-judge-rejects-trump-request-new-trial-e-jean-carroll-must-pay-83-million

I don't think so, the content of article from Fox News is pretty damning and surelly will not get vote from female voters in election. Yet it didn't budge female voters to vote for him.

Because he successfully built the narrative that he isn't the establishment and any of these convictions or charges are the deep state trying to stop him from gaining power and fixing America.

Not only that if you idolize someone you have no problem looking past their crimes or excusing them.
 
I suppose it's deeper and more personal for me.

Fair enough. I don't deny having been called that many times before.


facilitating hatred? How so? Do you mind expanding on that a bit.

He's a hate monger, if you vote for him it's a facilitation of that hate mongering whether intentional or not.

Do you want me to list the times he's stood on public platforms and actively encouraged the othering of minorities, vulnerable people, perceived enemies etc? We could be here a while.

At a slightly more scientific level, he's a populist and there's now a body of research that shows the relationship between populism and hate. Populism has typically been studied from the supply side rather than demand side as it were; but researchers have taken to looking at the relationships i.e whether hate filled people simply seek out and drive populists forwards or whether being exposed to populism increases the levels of hatefulness people experience. It transpires that exposure to populism increases the levels of hatred people experience rather than hate begetting the popularism. This is bad at one level as it means levels of hatred within the population can be increased by populist behaviour but good at another level in that the rise in populism at any given point doesn't suggest an inherently more hateful population at that time. It's also been shown that you can reverse those levels of hatred in the majority of people (i.e those that don't suffer from underlying personality disorders). However that's not cheap to do, so much better to not let people sow hatred in the first place for both the obvious and less obvious reasons.
 
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Many are book smart, but when it comes to politics they simply refuse to be objective. I work with several college educated engineering types who are properly clever, but when it comes to their politics they simply don't care to see the big picture. It's black and white, straight down the line Trump supporters

Nobody is objective with politics.

And is not just book smart.

I'm talking about being educated people, who ABIDE BY THE RULES, who respect others, who behave with maturity... today the majority of young people in Europe are not like that.

I am dedicated to the world of security. If you give an instruction:

- With Italian boys "and why? and why? why why?? Nothing will happen if I don't do what you say."

- With Spaniards: "Yes, ok" (they ignore you, and you insist).

"Now now. Wait a minute. Because 'I'm waiting for my friend,' 'any excuse.'

Soon it will be "you are nobody! Don't touch me, don't touch me!".

- American boys "ok, yes. Thank you so much".


This doesn't fall from the sky. This is the work of the parents of those American kids.

In Mediterranean culture, young children are very spoiled. They do what they want. Parents do not discipline children.

You will never see American children bothering everyone in a restaurant while their parents watch quietly from their table. In the Spanish case you will ALWAYS see that.
 
Because he successfully built the narrative that he isn't the establishment and any of these convictions or charges are the deep state trying to stop him from gaining power and fixing America.

Not only that if you idolize someone you have no problem looking past their crimes or excusing them.

Yet why Democrat with them having the biggest donations and almost traditional big media sides with them can't destroy this trump narrative?

Why the Democrat suck to prevent Trump rise to become President again?
 
Such a contrast. Obama, Sanders, other prominent Democrats congratulating Trump and hoping for unity.

Trumps mob, Elon, Don Jr etc encouraging you to laugh at and mock people who voted Democrat.

Its going to be a fucking awful 4 years for our American friends.

Ironic then, that on these threads it has been the other way around for six months: democrats openly laughing at and mocking people who were going to vote republican, and now not congratulating the few Trump supporters on here on their win.

Don't get me wrong, I think this is a poor result for America, which is none of my business really, and for the world as a whole, which is more to my interest. But I can't help thinking the attitude shown on here is a part of the problem for the democrats more widely and a dose of karma is, in a perverse way, mildly amusing.

Edit: Now I think about it, it's scouse karma - karma-la :)
 
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Yet why Democrat with them having the biggest donations and almost traditional big media sides with them can't destroy this trump narrative?

Why the Democrat suck to prevent Trump rise to become President again?

Because it's coming from the traditional media is exactly the reason why they can't destroy the Trump narrative. Times have moved on there is serious distrust in the conventional media and Trump has been the first to really use that to his advantage.

The Democrats sucked because they fought an election like it was still pre internet amongst the many other issues already discussed a million times over in here.
 
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