PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

100% agree there, we are a very soft touch, hopefully it's not because we have something to hide.
I think there is something to be said for holding the moral high ground.If found guilty, there would be more hatred if we had gone more aggressive. As it stands, City are just letting the process take its course, and will no doubt react when the verdict is established. My guess is that if found innocent, they will compromise on expenses, move on and avoid further confrontation. If found guilty, this could be cataclysmic.
 
I think there is something to be said for holding the moral high ground.If found guilty, there would be more hatred if we had gone more aggressive. As it stands, City are just letting the process take its course, and will no doubt react when the verdict is established. My guess is that if found innocent, they will compromise on expenses, move on and avoid further confrontation. If found guilty, this could be cataclysmic.
Agreed but if we were found to be 100% innocent and the panel believed that the charges brought were totally unreasonable, would the club not have to act?
 
If the verdict takes a long time would it not suggest that our "irrefutable evidence" may not be irrefutable?
You could spin that the other way to be fair in that the PL's evidence isn't irrefutable either!

Or it could be that the amount of evidence the panel need to sift through - irrefutable or otherwise - means that this was always going to take several months or more for both the hearing and subsequent write-up and verdict, even if it turns out to be a slam dunk for either side.

There are people far better qualified than me on this forum who know their onions with this type of thing but I've never been convinced by this theory that the quicker the hearing ended the better it is for us, so I'm quite relaxed if this takes another 12 months or more before we get to know the outcome. Of course, I want to know sooner as does everybody else but we don't get to decide the timeline on these things.
 
Interesting that Ziegler says this:

"The leadership of the Premier League, which is acting as the prosecutor in the case, will also be under close scrutiny when the hearing comes to a conclusion."

That's not something that any of the journalists - Martin Samuel aside - ever bother to state in their articles so I'm surprised Ziegler has mentioned it.
 
Interesting that Ziegler says this:

"The leadership of the Premier League, which is acting as the prosecutor in the case, will also be under close scrutiny when the hearing comes to a conclusion."

That's not something that any of the journalists - Martin Samuel aside - ever bother to state in their articles so I'm surprised Ziegler has mentioned it.

He's just trying to be balanced.
 
If the verdict takes a long time would it not suggest that our "irrefutable evidence" may not be irrefutable?
I think it's more likely that with billions at stake everyone wants to ensure the verdict is as airtight as possible, and even "irrefutable" evidence will be carefully examined. I doubt the timing is suggestive of the ruling going one way or the other.

But I do believe it's in the best interest of all parties to settle this before the season ends. An adverse finding + unresolved appeal could destroy any business we have planned for the transfer window. Even the spectre of an adverse finding could. But equally the league will also want to avoid any uncertainty and potential claims from teams that they were wronged when the decision was delayed.
 
for this to have gone the distance and the teams to go away and come back for final deliberations, tells me it's not a slam dunk as we thought we may have.

On the flip side - its not the slam dunk that the haters assumed.

Nerve racking !!

It was always going to go the distance as per timetabling and there was always going to be a break for deliberations its how these things work.
 
for this to have gone the distance and the teams to go away and come back for final deliberations, tells me it's not a slam dunk as we thought we may have.

On the flip side - its not the slam dunk that the haters assumed.

Nerve racking !!
Gone the distance? But that Tarquin on X said we had no defence and had folded faster than Arse in a title run-in!

We’d have had to either have admitted guilt to some charges or the PL would have had to drop some of them for it to be shorter. No reason for either to happen, other than to save on costs, which are insignificant in the round.
 
for this to have gone the distance and the teams to go away and come back for final deliberations, tells me it's not a slam dunk as we thought we may have.

On the flip side - its not the slam dunk that the haters assumed.

Nerve racking !!

I wouldn't read too much into it. The length of the hearing probably has as much to do with the amount of witnesses we called as anything else. Also, the PL is so entrenched in its position that they would probably proceed with the case against us regardless of how strong our evidence is.
 
It was always going to go the distance as per timetabling and there was always going to be a break for deliberations its how these things work.
the finding or summing up have got to be watertight to or like APT still waiting for guidelines and votes being taken that might still be unlawful
 
If we'd have turned the coach around after the vermin bricked and bottled it,
Absolutely they endanger the players’ and staff safety it also affected their preparation City’s security team could have been said to have made the decision
 
Interesting that Ziegler says this:

"The leadership of the Premier League, which is acting as the prosecutor in the case, will also be under close scrutiny when the hearing comes to a conclusion."

That's not something that any of the journalists - Martin Samuel aside - ever bother to state in their articles so I'm surprised Ziegler has mentioned it.
The levels of intellectual dishonesty when reporting on this have been off the scale. Spinelessness writ large.
 
There have been some excellent contributions to this thread and they have really deepened our understanding of the issues raised by these 115 charges :there have also been many scurrilous contributions which have contributed nothing to our understanding of anything. I thank those who have tried seriously and in good faith to cast light on what is actually happening and I am really grateful, but I must say that my position has not changed at all since the PL's announcement back in February 2023 that we were to face the charges, and that is because my position is based not on understanding of the law, jurisprudence, football finance, PL regulations or anything else of the kind. My position is, in fact, an act of faith and trust. The owner of our club, the chairman and all those who run our club are honourable men who tell the truth. When they say they and the club have done nothing wrong, I believe them, not partially, not "quite a bit" but completely and utterly.
 
My position is, in fact, an act of faith and trust. The owner of our club, the chairman and all those who run our club are honourable men who tell the truth. When they say they and the club have done nothing wrong, I believe them, not partially, not "quite a bit" but completely and utterly.

I'm with you and I'll hold that position even if the case goes against us. As far as I'm concerned, the real fraud is FFP/PSR.
 

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