Assisted dying

kaz7 said:
You are talking bollocks , this is for terminal patients with six month to live , it is two doctors and a judge , the safeguards are fine

Stop scaremonging
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Assisted suicide laws increase suicide rates, especially among women

Richard Posner argued that legalising assisted suicide may have the counter-intuitive effect of reducing unassisted and possibly even total suicide rates. This column examines the empirical evidence for this idea using data from ten US states that implemented an assisted suicide law up to the...
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johnny crossan said:

Assisted suicide laws increase suicide rates, especially among women

Richard Posner argued that legalising assisted suicide may have the counter-intuitive effect of reducing unassisted and possibly even total suicide rates. This column examines the empirical evidence for this idea using data from ten US states that implemented an assisted suicide law up to the...
cepr.org cepr.org
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I’m wondering why you feel the need to control the life and death decisions of others? Is your God driving your thought process?
 
I wonder how life insurance companies will view this as far as I’m aware if you commit suicide they don’t pay out, will this be different?
 
johnny crossan said:
The key point is that state assisted suicide is a new pathway that will be inappropriately chosen by many vulnerable people and indeed exploited by others. There are no practical safeguards that can effectively prevent this outcome.
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Well around 75 MPs allowed the act to pass this stage but they were insistent that to go forward, the bill would have to improve protection of the vulnable and of the medical profession.
If so then I can live with this legislation.if not I can't.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
I’m wondering why you feel the need to control the life and death decisions of others? Is your God driving your thought process?
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I'm wondering why you want to make this issue about religion, it's not - although for the social media anti-God squad it's just another bandwagon to jump on. Many religious believers support the bill and many non-believers oppose it. My view is that state controlled euthanasia and its provision as a service via the NHS is simply wrong. Their proper focus should be 100% on improving end of life care. If you want to debate the absurdity of your atheist position I'm happy to accommodate you on an appropriate thread elsewhere but here's a few arguments supporting my view on this subject set out by your fellow freethinkers in evidence to HoC Committee:
 
johnny crossan said:
I'm wondering why you want to make this issue about religion, it's not - although for the social media anti-God squad it's just another bandwagon to jump on. Many religious believers support the bill and many non-believers oppose it. My view is that state controlled euthanasia and its provision as a service via the NHS is simply wrong. Their proper focus should be 100% on improving end of life care. If you want to debate the absurdity of your atheist position I'm happy to accommodate you on an appropriate thread elsewhere but here's a few arguments supporting my view on this subject set out by your fellow freethinkers in evidence to HoC Committee:
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Doesn't have to be either or when it comes to improving end of life care and offering some people the choice with appropriate safegaurds.

Agree with you abour religion though, that can be debated on the religion thread for those who have a mind to but it's not what this debate is about.
 
journolud said:
Doesn't have to be either or when it comes to improving end of life care and offering some people the choice with appropriate safegaurds. Agree with you abour religion though, that can be debated on the religion thread for those who have a mind to but it's not what this debate is about.
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Setting up and delivering a euthanasia service from scratch will consume huge resources that could be much better spent on end-of-life care and other NHS priorities sorely in need of investment.
 
Blue Maverick said:
I wonder how life insurance companies will view this as far as I’m aware if you commit suicide they don’t pay out, will this be different?
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changes can be made to the terms of cover - for example your home insurance can cover damage to an aerial or satellite dish or damage incurred by bits falling off aeroplanes. There was a time when insurance existed but there were no Sky dishes or commercial aircraft. Policy wording was rewritten bu underwriters to adapt to changes
 
bluethrunthru said:
changes can be made to the terms of cover - for example your home insurance can cover damage to an aerial or satellite dish or damage incurred by bits falling off aeroplanes. There was a time when insurance existed but there were no Sky dishes or commercial aircraft. Policy wording was rewritten bu underwriters to adapt to changes
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I'm thinking if a piece of an aircraft hit my house the Sky dish would be the least of my concerns!
 
I am getting highly annoyed with News Outlets asking - "how can the NHS cope and adapt" and MP's " I voted for but want changes " - if the journalists don't understand then they need reassigning to covering a local fete or bus routes. As for the MP's they are being deliberately obtuse no doubt to try and appease constituents who may disagree with a yes vote - ie face both ways.

They all know this is NOT law. Its going to be some time before it does become law and it even may not. MP's know if faces scrutiny at the committee stage and in the Lords and will be voted upon again in the Commons - those that don't are not worthy of being an MP and as I say anyone in news who doesn't know this is not a journalist.

For that reason until it has a chance of becoming law the NHS will not prepare for a "what if" and has no need to divert fundings anywhere
 
johnny crossan said:
I'm wondering why you want to make this issue about religion, it's not - although for the social media anti-God squad it's just another bandwagon to jump on. Many religious believers support the bill and many non-believers oppose it. My view is that state controlled euthanasia and its provision as a service via the NHS is simply wrong. Their proper focus should be 100% on improving end of life care. If you want to debate the absurdity of your atheist position I'm happy to accommodate you on an appropriate thread elsewhere but here's a few arguments supporting my view on this subject set out by your fellow freethinkers in evidence to HoC Committee:
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It is absolutely rooted in religion and your dismissal of atheism speaks to your bias, so you’re shining no-one.
 
johnny crossan said:
Setting up and delivering a euthanasia service from scratch will consume huge resources that could be much better spent on end-of-life care and other NHS priorities sorely in need of investment.
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when? why would they do that? this may not even be law until after the next GE. you are falling for the mis-information and click bait.
 
ChicagoBlue said:
It is absolutely rooted in religion and your dismissal of atheism speaks to your bias, so you’re shining no-one.
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I make no apologies for dismissing the ridiculous idea that God's existence can be disproved (no issue with agnostics btw) but please address this topic and specifically why you appear to accept the inescapable coercive implications already documented in those countries where assisted dying/assisted suicide is legal.
bluethrunthru said:
when? why would they do that? this may not even be law until after the next GE. you are falling for the mis-information and click bait.
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Report stage will be in April next year and if passed the bill could be on the statute book within two years. The NHS would have to start budgeting for that contingency now - that's not fake news.
 
My grandma died last year. She was 101 and lived independently with some help and a lot of support from my dad, her son. She fell and broke her hip. An operation resulted in pin placements and 6 months of rehabilitation. While still in hospital, an x-ray showed that the pins had fallen out. Faced with the prospect of a further op, she chose to die, and that's exactly what happened 7 days later. She was absolutely of sound mind and made her choice unequivocally clear. The right was absolutely hers.
 
johnny crossan said:
I make no apologies for dismissing the ridiculous idea that God's existence can be disproved (no issue with agnostics btw) but please address this topic and specifically why you appear to accept the inescapable coercive implications already documented in those countries where assisted dying/assisted suicide is legal.

Report stage will be in April next year and if passed the bill could be on the statute book within two years. The NHS would have to start budgeting for that contingency now - that's not fake news.
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Or it could not. They could look into what they need to do but no need to divert anything at this stage - its called planning. Using your example it would not fall within this years budget nor the next
 
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