Assisted dying

Asking a bunch of barely literate people who don’t understand the complexities of it sounds like a solid idea.

MPs represent their constituents and if they sense their constituents want it they will vote for it. Email your local MP, maybe refrain from calling him/her a twat ;)

I do think it needs longer to be debated however - let’s have an honest and open discussion about it. Led by experts and the MPs can then an informed decision. Without time you feel an MP will likely opt to maintain the status quo if they lack information.
Streeting was on gmb this morning and admitted it was part of his religion that he was voting against it , why should 400 ish people who are shit scared to vote it through have power over the rest of us, it is not right

The amount of people being cared for and dying at home need a voice , they are not getting the pallative care you get in a hospice
 
That’s a really interesting question. My dad had a DNR in place when he was admitted to hospital for the last time. The ward staff / doctors were trying to actively treat which was distressing him. Mrs MB explained it wasn’t his wishes (which they validated) and they stopped active treatment and he was allowed to die peacefully.

So if we take your example of someone having overdosed if they are able to explain they don’t want active treatment to save their life I expect it would likely be an intrusion, if they aren’t able to articulate their wishes at that exact moment then medical staff would say they are acting in a patients best interests and saving their life. By the time we get to the conversation about DNRs it’s likely they would have already performed the life saving interventions. It’s definitely a very interesting dilemma you’ve posed.
My Dad was hooked up to allsorts for 2 weeks before he died.
i had a meeting with the docs/nurses/bosses and they told me my Dads outcome if the operation he needed (but wasn't fit enough to have,20% survival rate) was successful. Bedbound and loads of drugs for the rest of his life.
I then got them and my siblings around his bed whilst i told my Dad. He said there and then in front of them all that he wanted all the tubes taking out and machines un-plugging. He knew exactly what would happen. The hospital had no choice but to do what he asked.
 
Streeting was on gmb this morning and admitted it was part of his religion that he was voting against it , why should 400 ish people who are shit scared to vote it through have power over the rest of us, it is not right

The amount of people being cared for and dying at home need a voice , they are not getting the pallative care you get in a hospice
Fucking religion.
 
Not sure if this thread has discussed whether the hospital care itself decides if a patient lives or dies.

I remember many years ago with my mum in hospital the consultant told me that if my mum had a heart attack they simply would not resuscitate her.
I argued unsuccessfully that was a fully paid up member of the NHS so deserved full coverage. He said it was hospital policy with older people in my mums condition.
She recovered and left hospital.

She died with a stroke some months later.

My point is that life or death in hospitals appears to be decided by hospitals already without consulting the patient so why this worry about a patient that wants to die?

That's a really good point you make because a doctor can decide someone shouldn't be resuscitated without their consent.

I can't remember exactly when but my Mum signed a DNR - my Dad had stepped out of the ward at the specific time, and he returned and was fuming they'd asked her because he didn't feel she was in the right state of mind to make that decision.

I actually looked back over some messages I exchanged with her last night and her mood swung quite dramatically between positivity and negativity. There were days she wrote to me saying she just wanted to die and other days where I'd managed to see her and she'd had such a boost she wanted to keep fighting.

That's given me a potential other side to things, which I hadn't considered. But the process has enough safeguards to ensure that someone can change their mind at any time if they wish to.
 
I agree with terminally ill people who are never getting better and are in constant pain having the opportunity to die with dignity on their own terms. As most people do I feel.

I just hope this isn't a slippery slope to a Canadian like system where you get stories like this. https://care.org.uk/news/2023/08/ca...-assisted-suicide-after-lack-of-hospital-beds

That is absolutely abhorrent. People with depression don't need to be offered suicide at a price instead of help.
 
I think it should be offered to MND sufferers , their life expectany (sp) might be a year or more but they know what is coming , suffication and drowning and not being able to swallow so cant eat or drink , not moving a muscle , just wtf can you say that they cant be allowed to check out before the end, it is just not right to make people suffer like this

We are not saying they have to have assisted dying , it is still up to them, they might never use it , it might give them some peace to know they have control over the end . If they are lucky enough to get into a hospice they might trust that tbey can go peacefully

Most people die at home so not getting good pallative care , carers are wonderful people
 
Streeting was on gmb this morning and admitted it was part of his religion that he was voting against it , why should 400 ish people who are shit scared to vote it through have power over the rest of us, it is not right

The amount of people being cared for and dying at home need a voice , they are not getting the pallative care you get in a hospice
Streeting's "religion" is donations from American Health firms.
 

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