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The Future’s Blue! said:
Is the US more religious than other countries? Here in the UK, Christianity is dwindling and I do wonder if a minority are leading countries down a road that they don’t want to go down?
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It’s practically gone here in Ireland. Maybe not up North. There’s others better able to answer that on here.
When you consider where we were for half a century, it was exposed, the youth of today wouldn’t have it.
But world wide it’s the extremes, the fundamentalists of various religions that only seem to see one way of life and woe betide anyone who doesn’t see things their way.
It is and always was a way of controlling the masses, but it’s a little freaky the regression that looks likely in America, if power lands in the hands of these Bible thumpers.
 
The Future’s Blue! said:
Is the US more religious than other countries? Here in the UK, Christianity is dwindling and I do wonder if a minority are leading countries down a road that they don’t want to go down?
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Religiousness in the US is nothing more than a matter of identity. Nobody of supposed 'Christian' values would behave and value things in the way that right-wing 'Christians' do in the US.

I mean you only have to look at the quandry of gun ownership on the right which is often god, country, guns. How can a Christian own a weapon which has the sole purpose of causing death to another? It's utterly moronic.

This actually applies to all religions where as religiousness increases so does brutality, violence and intolerance. It's all the more reason to purge all religion entirely from society but unfortunately we can't. This is ironic given religion struggles to tolerate anything except itself!
 
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang said:
A criminal is elected mayor and some how they expect the warden to keep his own son, a civilian who committed a petty crime, in jail? a country full of lunatics
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The whole situation is just too depressing for words.

The political equivalent of City's current form, except without the hope for any improvement for years to come.
 
inbetween said:
Religiousness in the US is nothing more than a matter of identity. Nobody of supposed 'Christian' values would behave and value things in the way that right-wing 'Christians' do in the US.

I mean you only have to look at the quandry of gun ownership on the right which is often god, country, guns. How can a Christian own a weapon which has the sole purpose of causing death to another? It's utterly moronic.

This actually applies to all religions where as religiousness increases so does brutality, violence and intolerance. It's all the more reason to purge all religion entirely from society but unfortunately we can't. This is ironic given religion struggles to tolerate anything except itself!
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Exactly. It's really not about Christian values. The word Christian, Conservative and Liberal have all taken a different meaning now.

For example, when a cop shoots a black person, if you read the comment segments on political tabloids, you would see things like "Another liberal gone, good riddance", well, how did you know the victim was a liberal? And when you read about immigration, you would see comments like "our Christian values are being swept away", interestingly a lot of the migrants come from predominantly Christian south American countries so what "Christian" values are being swept away? When you read between the lines it's clear to see how words have taken a completely different meaning in the political world.

I saw a video of a conservative calling Kemi Adeosun a "culture warrior", despite him being a member of her party and then he quickly turned around and spoke about " English cultural values". It's the same way football fans claim Kompany is a "D.E.I" hire. Thanks to American politics you can say some of the most despicable things but just have it wrap up in some dog whistle that the intended crowd understands.
 
Txiki Txiki Bang Bang said:
Exactly. It's really not about Christian values. The word Christian, Conservative and Liberal have all taken a different meaning now.

For example, when a cop shoots a black person, if you read the comment segments on political tabloids, you would see things like "Another liberal gone, good riddance", well, how did you know the victim was a liberal? And when you read about immigration, you would see comments like "our Christian values are being swept away", interestingly a lot of the migrants come from predominantly Christian south American countries so what "Christian" values are being swept away? When you read between the lines it's clear to see how words have taken a completely different meaning in the political world.

I saw a video of a conservative calling Kemi Adeosun a "culture warrior", despite him being a member of her party and then he quickly turned around and spoke about " English cultural values". It's the same way football fans claim Kompany is a "D.E.I" hire. Thanks to American politics you can say some of the most despicable things but just have it wrap up in some dog whistle that the intended crowd understands.
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All of this is about identity and hijacking Christianity is just an attempt to legitimise that identity. None of what they stand for is Christian unless getting pissed up, having a fight or shooting people is considered Christian, it isn't.

It's the same with this sudden attachment to Israel and claims of supporting Jews despite considerable evidence that the majority of anti-semitic incidents come from the right. You can actually imagine Tommy Robinson and his ilk in the streets. They'll wave their Israeli flags, see a Jewish person walk by and then go about making anti-semitic tropes.

Supporting Israel is therefore now part of their identity too but that hasn't come out of solidarity, it's purely because Israel are bombing Muslims.
 
TinFoilHat said:
I can understand why Biden pardoned his son. He's put family over everything else. Hunter will become a revenge target for President Mango Shitgibbon.

If Harris had won I doubt he'd have done it.
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I can’t get my head around a justice system that allows him do it.
This validates anything Trump comes up with. It really is crazy that the Judiciary is not separate to the political system.
If it’s wrong for one side it’s wrong for both.
If it’s not wrong for either then the system that allows it is wrong in my eyes.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
I can’t get my head around a justice system that allows him do it.
This validates anything Trump comes up with. It really is crazy that the Judiciary is not separate to the political system.
If it’s wrong for one side it’s wrong for both.
If it’s not wrong for either then the system that allows it is wrong in my eyes.
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Never thought about it that way. You're right. The Pardon system, as this proves can be politically motivated by whoever is in power.
 
TinFoilHat said:
He's protecting his son.

Easier to be murdered in prison by a Trump goon than being freed.
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To hell with his crimes then. It’s justified then got it. I guess it’s just like that twat on the Bucks County Commission then.

Also like big city mayors giving it the big un on how they are going to protect illegal aliens even criminals and ones that already have deportation orders against them. And they wonder why they lost and they wonder why Trump got 46% on the Hispanic vote and win a county I. Texas a Republican hasn’t won in yonks.

Keep it up but they hit the other side with invective.
 
TinFoilHat said:
Never thought about it that way. You're right. The Pardon system, as this proves can be politically motivated by whoever is in power.
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It's not been used in such ways in living memory, pre trump. We have a Trump cult in power who have zero shame. Hypocrisy is rife with the current GOP. They will pull every leaver in their favour and squeal like pigs when the dems do anything.

So yes this is a bad move by Biden, but Trump has done worse in his first term, see Manafort, Stone, Flynn etc . And he will do worse this term.

So why should Biden cling to the last remaining scraps of credibility of potus pardon powers.
 
Gareth Barry Conlon said:
It's not been used in such ways in living memory, pre trump. We have a Trump cult in power who have zero shame. Hypocrisy is rife with the current GOP. They will pull every leaver in their favour and squeal like pigs when the dems do anything.

So yes this is a bad move by Biden, but Trump has done worse in his first term, see Manafort, Stone, Flynn etc . And he will do worse this term.

So why should Biden cling to the last remaining scraps of credibility of potus pardon powers.
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and Charles Kushner, father of Trump's son-in-law, who has quite a record.
Not like family-related pardons are entirely new.
 
mancity2012_eamo said:
I can’t get my head around a justice system that allows him do it.
This validates anything Trump comes up with. It really is crazy that the Judiciary is not separate to the political system.
If it’s wrong for one side it’s wrong for both.
If it’s not wrong for either then the system that allows it is wrong in my eyes.
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Trump doesn’t need anything to validate his actions. This just gives him a real reason rather than him having to make something up. End result is the same.
 
bluemoon32 said:
What a surprise, Biden is just another self serving politician ****
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Whilst I disagree with the pardon, Hunter Biden was treated unfairly. In a bid to remain neutral, the Biden DoJ allowed itself to be bullied by Republicans into prosecuting someone for crimes that are very rarely prosecuted.

Ultimately, this pardon will harm Democrats, as any high ground they held will be eroded away, and it also opens the door for Republicans to pardon anyone they like for whatever bullshit reason.
 
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