Electric cars

I'm on several car forums, both ICE and EV etc. Obviously, forums tend to be people moaning about failures.
Human nature tends to be unhappy people shout the loudest. So reading any forum would put most people of any purchase car or otherwise, as it would seem that item is nothing but trouble.

Any german car forum will have post after post moaning about very expensive repairs just to keep their car on the road. For whatever reason, german car makers seem to design cars these days that are over complicated and a nightmare to work on. This means even minor issues can cost more than the cars worth.

Other none german car forums, tend to be more DIY approach to fixing issues. The same issues seem to afflict all makes, but are generally cheaper to fix than german cars.

Then you get to EV forums. Yes EV's do fail, but because they tend to be newer, warranties tend to cover the owners. So most posts are just moans about waiting for parts etc.
Not many moans are about the batteries though, same for the traction motors.
In fact most moans are about the infotainment screens. Glitches and bugs, that don't affect the actual driving of the car.
It makes a nice change to see people generally moaning because Netflix has failed to update, rather than crying because the timing chain/injectors/DPF needs doing and they haven't got £4k going spare!
 
I had a Volvo XC60 plug-in hybrid (about 40 miles of electric per full charge) and got way more than 200 mpg. At one stage it was over 1,000 mpg I think.

I only did a few short journeys per day (school run, shopping etc) and so I could basically just run it on electric mode. That was until somebody told me that petrol deteriorates and I shouldn't leave it sitting in the tank for a long period. I then started using it a bit more on hybrid mode, just to make sure the petrol was gradually being used up.

I had a Volvo XC60 plug-in hybrid (about 40 miles of electric per full charge) and got way more than 200 mpg. At one stage it was over 1,000 mpg I think.

I only did a few short journeys per day (school run, shopping etc) and so I could basically just run it on electric mode. That was until somebody told me that petrol deteriorates and I shouldn't leave it sitting in the tank for a long period. I then started using it a bit more on hybrid mode, just to make sure the petrol was gradually being used up.

IMO plug-in hybrids are great for someone like me who would normally do less than 40 miles per day but also does the occasional longer journey.
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Does anyone have a Tesla that doesn’t have a home charger and just relies on their superchargers? If so, how do you find it?
Company Tesla for 3 years. Live in a flat so cannot charge at home. I do live close to the Stockport Superchargers though so that helps. If I could charge at home I would be quids in. The benefit of Tesla is that you can use all the public chargers but additional is all the Tesla network as well, especially on long motorway runs (the amount they have at Exeter services on the M5 is insane compared to just 18 months ago). If I do long trips, the sat-nav plans your charging stops, the one tip I have is to plan your journey as a return journey, putting in your home as the final stop. That way when you get to your destination, you have enough charge in to get around the destination as it is not clever enough to think of that and assumes that you will 'home charge' at the destination. Acceleration = Insane, Noise/Vibration = Non existent, all in all once you get over range anxiety it is almost relaxing.
 
Had a company tesla for 3 years and love it. Due to change next year but Elon Musk being a complete tool is putting me off getting another. I'll start looking at other options soon. I'll always be EV now.
 
Does anybody have experience of plug-in hybrids? Some of the mpg figures seem ludicrous eg over 200 mpg. I know these result from a totally unrealistic measurement method so I'm after some real world experience.
I live in a flat so full electric isn't an option, but plug-in might work economically if the high mpg offset the higher public charger prices.
I used to have one (gone full electric now) and the answer really depends on how you use it. If all you do is long motorway journeys then you aren't going to see much benefit compared to a normal internal combustion engine. However, if you do a lot of shorter journeys and have the opportunity to plug in between them then you can start to get the sort of numbers you are talking about (where you only used the IC engine for occasional longer trips). That's how I tended to use it as my office was just under the battery range away from the house (and I could charge at both). So I often went 2-3 months between fill ups of the 'normal' fuel tank as that was only used when I did longer trips.
 
Now the cold weather is here. The EV has dropped some range.
The max range is 280 miles. Real world is around 250.
This is now 200-220. Still plenty, but could be better with the new solid state stuff coming next year.

The good news is the wiffy is very happy.
The cars pre-heating is going well. The car has been defrosting and heating up just before she goes to work.
It has heated seats and steering wheel, and the car seems to know when to activate those as well. She has also been pressing the pre-condition button on the app before leaving work.

I don't bother with all that when i borrow the car. But i have noticed one obvious thing.
EV's don't use the engine for heat. (Well it does have a heat pump that can scavenge battery and motor heat)
So, even if not pre-heated, the car gives heat within seconds regardless, due to using electric heat...nice!

I wasn't sure about these new digital "rear view" mirrors. But up to now, i've not come across any issues.
We share our cars, so it does help not having to adjust that mirrors after she's used it etc.
You do have to get used to the "Vampire" effect though. After years of a normal mirror, i didn't realise how much i checked if i needed a shave/haircut. I still glance sideways to check, and obviously, there is no reflection!
 
Seems people are wising up to the internet scare mongering and buying second hand EV's.

"And, in a sign of their increasing popularity, the market for second hand EVs has also been growing, with the sector enjoying a bumper year in 2024 as Q2 sales soared by more than 50%."

The downside is all those bargains i'm looking at will be drying up!
 
I used to have one (gone full electric now) and the answer really depends on how you use it. If all you do is long motorway journeys then you aren't going to see much benefit compared to a normal internal combustion engine. However, if you do a lot of shorter journeys and have the opportunity to plug in between them then you can start to get the sort of numbers you are talking about (where you only used the IC engine for occasional longer trips). That's how I tended to use it as my office was just under the battery range away from the house (and I could charge at both). So I often went 2-3 months between fill ups of the 'normal' fuel tank as that was only used when I did longer trips.
To me the best option would be a slightly longer range hybrid for many people. Some of the new Mercedes C and E platforms now do around 60 miles on electric which for running about locally is plenty. You then have ICE for the longer journeys. Admittedly you are lugging around extra weight but from an end user point of view its the best of both worlds.

Until the charging network is up to the job this should have been the approach but instead we are in a world where policy makers want a step change without the infrastructure in place.
 
With electric ranges of over 600 miles next year, and 800+ not much longer. I wonder at what point having an electric car becomes the better choice in most circumstances.

The charging network is obviously the biggest problem. It needs improving and is. We need a charging price war, as home charging cost versus public is still too far apart.
New 800v tech is speeding up charge times. But i feel the whole experience needs looking at.
Most chargers are exposed to the weather. And the payment options are too confusing. Some are Touch pads, some require apps or memberships. EV's are capable of payment just by plugging in. Tesla's do this already.

"I can refuel my ICE car in 5 minutes, i'm not waiting 20 minutes" is the most often repeated phrase i hear.

The truth is, queuing at petrol stations is a more common thing these days. Supermarket stations are the worst.
My wife has never been to a recharge station since getting the car in June. So to her, the charging network or charge time are an irrelevance. Charging from home is also way cheaper. Also, charging at night doesn't put a strain on the electricity network.

Hydrogen is still dead in the water. Why people keep banging the drum is beyond me.
Until they can mass produce it cheaply, it is a non starter. Solve that, and then maybe is has it's uses.

There is also battery tech available right now that will exceed 1000 miles. Getting it to mass production may take a few years. It is expected the focus will then be on smaller and lighter batteries.
Recharge times won't be as critical if the car can do a 1000 miles!
 
It’s strange being offered huge savings through the company for EV whilst working for a oil company.

Bit like Norway. 90% of cars are EV and its EV infrastructure is the best in the world. They have only been able to achieve that though through exploration drilling on their west coast.
 
With electric ranges of over 600 miles next year, and 800+ not much longer. I wonder at what point having an electric car becomes the better choice in most circumstances.

The charging network is obviously the biggest problem. It needs improving and is. We need a charging price war, as home charging cost versus public is still too far apart.
New 800v tech is speeding up charge times. But i feel the whole experience needs looking at.
Most chargers are exposed to the weather. And the payment options are too confusing. Some are Touch pads, some require apps or memberships. EV's are capable of payment just by plugging in. Tesla's do this already.

"I can refuel my ICE car in 5 minutes, i'm not waiting 20 minutes" is the most often repeated phrase i hear.

The truth is, queuing at petrol stations is a more common thing these days. Supermarket stations are the worst.
My wife has never been to a recharge station since getting the car in June. So to her, the charging network or charge time are an irrelevance. Charging from home is also way cheaper. Also, charging at night doesn't put a strain on the electricity network.

Hydrogen is still dead in the water. Why people keep banging the drum is beyond me.
Until they can mass produce it cheaply, it is a non starter. Solve that, and then maybe is has it's uses.

There is also battery tech available right now that will exceed 1000 miles. Getting it to mass production may take a few years. It is expected the focus will then be on smaller and lighter batteries.
Recharge times won't be as critical if the car can do a 1000 miles!

I'm not interested in one until you can charge at any charger (like a petrol station) and can charge the car with the same range to full as fast as you can fill up a petrol car.

Otherwise it's a backwards step surely?
 
I have never researched the EV market so this may appear a really strange question to some. Is there a hybrid model available that when the battery is low the vehicle mode can be changed to petrol and some sort of dynamo mechanism kicks in and recharges the battery on the hoof so to speak.
 
I'm not interested in one until you can charge at any charger (like a petrol station) and can charge the car with the same range to full as fast as you can fill up a petrol car.

Otherwise it's a backwards step surely?

surely climate change from using ICE cares is a bigger step backwards
 
I have never researched the EV market so this may appear a really strange question to some. Is there a hybrid model available that when the battery is low the vehicle mode can be changed to petrol and some sort of dynamo mechanism kicks in and recharges the battery on the hoof so to speak.
That essentially is what a hybrid is
 
surely climate change from using ICE cares is a bigger step backwards
If you consider that there are millions of ICE's already built and capable of lasting many years yet and the environmental impact of manufacturing new EV's it might be less damaging to stop trying to force people to change using the tax system and subsidies.
 

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