Electric cars

I'm not interested in one until you can charge at any charger (like a petrol station) and can charge the car with the same range to full as fast as you can fill up a petrol car.

Otherwise it's a backwards step surely?

Would being able to fill up your car at home, with much cheaper "petrol" be a backwards step?

Filling speed is an issue because you have to go somewhere to do it, or break up your journey. If it's at your house it's not an issue, and you're never going to have to set off on a long journey without a "full tank". Even on a very long drive, by the time you need to charge, it's likely to be well past the time you'd have normally taken a break.
 
My brother and his wife have a New Tesla electric car which I think was around £52000 solar panels on the house Which I think were around £20,000 & she cant shut up about it all being good for the planet but then they fly off to Canada 3 times a years to see the daughter & son in law,
I drive an old volvo Diesel Estate which was made around 20 years ago & cost around £1500 & never fly abroad but it seems its me thats causing the air quality problems?
 
My brother and his wife have a New Tesla electric car which I think was around £52000 solar panels on the house Which I think were around £20,000 & she cant shut up about it all being good for the planet but then they fly off to Canada 3 times a years to see the daughter & son in law,
I drive an old volvo Diesel Estate which was made around 20 years ago & cost around £1500 & never fly abroad but it seems its me thats causing the air quality problems?
Ah but they're modern consumers and we must have people spending lots of money on the latest products to save us all and protect the economy. You must prepare for ever increasing taxes to force your pesky unfashionable old Volvo off the road.
 
Would being able to fill up your car at home, with much cheaper "petrol" be a backwards step?

Filling speed is an issue because you have to go somewhere to do it, or break up your journey. If it's at your house it's not an issue, and you're never going to have to set off on a long journey without a "full tank". Even on a very long drive, by the time you need to charge, it's likely to be well past the time you'd have normally taken a break.

Why do EV owners think everyone has access to a driveway?

Forget charging at home it's not possible.

So now imagine owning an EV in a flat or a terraced house etc. Not much fun is it?
 
Why do EV owners think everyone has access to a driveway?

Forget charging at home it's not possible.

So now imagine owning an EV in a flat or a terraced house etc. Not much fun is it?
correct - I'm very lucky I have a driveway and garage but very near me there are cars parked half on the pavement everywhere every night, would be a pile of spaghetti on the pavements if they all had charging cables!
 
Why do EV owners think everyone has access to a driveway?

Forget charging at home it's not possible.

So now imagine owning an EV in a flat or a terraced house etc. Not much fun is it?
It all depends on your circumstances; if you can charge at home (or at work) and do mostly 25-30 miles per day then electric cars are well worthwhile; if you have to rely on charging on the network and are typically driving more than around 100 miles per day then it is probably;y not for you, yet.
 
It all depends on your circumstances; if you can charge at home (or at work) and do mostly 25-30 miles per day then electric cars are well worthwhile; if you have to rely on charging on the network and are typically driving more than around 100 miles per day then it is probably;y not for you, yet.

This may well be possible for me soon at work.

But I'm still not really understanding any benefits of moving from my current petrol car.
 
I'm not interested in one until you can charge at any charger (like a petrol station) and can charge the car with the same range to full as fast as you can fill up a petrol car.

Otherwise it's a backwards step surely?
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Plus I have no intention of paying a premium over an ICE car to go electric.
 
It all depends on your circumstances; if you can charge at home (or at work) and do mostly 25-30 miles per day then electric cars are well worthwhile; if you have to rely on charging on the network and are typically driving more than around 100 miles per day then it is probably;y not for you, yet.

Yep. I got one on a salary sacrifice through work and it was a no brainer for me as it fitted those circumstances. That and for the first few months until I got my home charger put in, I was able to charge it at work at subsidised rates.

My wife still has an ICE car that we use for longer trips but the times where we need to go far enough to charge on the way is only once or twice a year anyway.

I wouldn’t recommend one for people that do significant commutes or can’t charge at home and for me it was only financially worth it due to being able to do salary sacrifice. I have ended up with a car I’d never have been able to afford normally that is also costing far less to run than an ICE car, so it’s been a win win for me.

That and it is stupidly good fun to drive!
 
I'm not interested in one until you can charge at any charger (like a petrol station) and can charge the car with the same range to full as fast as you can fill up a petrol car.

Otherwise it's a backwards step surely?
Obviously a backward step in convenience and anyone suggesting other wise is in denial. We pulled into Wetherby service station on the A1 on Thursday. Parked opposite the electric charging points, there must be 20 or so. All full and people waiting for a space to become free. No thanks.
 
Obviously a backward step in convenience and anyone suggesting other wise is in denial. We pulled into Wetherby service station on the A1 on Thursday. Parked opposite the electric charging points, there must be 20 or so. All full and people waiting for a space to become free. No thanks.

Agree on the convenience point, I don’t think anyone would argue that for those that do long journeys or commutes.

The one thing I would say is anyone filling up either petrol or electric from a service station on the A1 has done some shit planning beforehand!
 
Why do EV owners think everyone has access to a driveway?

Forget charging at home it's not possible.

So now imagine owning an EV in a flat or a terraced house etc. Not much fun is it?

I don't own an EV, and I didn't suggest you had access to a driveway.

More than 75% of households have access to a parking space, and there are options available for terrace houses, which will becomes more common. I was more pointing out that you're considering it a backward step because you're thinking in terms of how you fill up your petrol car. It's not backwards, it's just different, and for the significant majority it could be a lot easier and cheaper than petrol.
 
I don't own an EV, and I didn't suggest you had access to a driveway.

More than 75% of households have access to a parking space, and there are options available for terrace houses, which will becomes more common. I was more pointing out that you're considering it a backward step because you're thinking in terms of how you fill up your petrol car. It's not backwards, it's just different, and for the significant majority it could be a lot easier and cheaper than petrol.
The infrastructure needs to be there. Look how quickly virgin got cable TV pretty much everywhere (urban at least) as an example. Maybe that's what musk should have done instead of going for the lols by getting liberals to buy his cars for eye watering money which he invested in getting trump back into the whitehouse - paid for by said liberals and green minded folk via their Tesla purchases.
 

This is just one example of why it won't work in many towns, especially old industrial ones like Oldham etc...

Row upon row of terraced houses. The guy in the article has basically been told, if he plugs his car in to charge it, then he is liable for a claim if someone trips over the cable.

Instead of the council trying to support him, they have tuned their back on him.
 
I don't own an EV, and I didn't suggest you had access to a driveway.

More than 75% of households have access to a parking space, and there are options available for terrace houses, which will becomes more common. I was more pointing out that you're considering it a backward step because you're thinking in terms of how you fill up your petrol car. It's not backwards, it's just different, and for the significant majority it could be a lot easier and cheaper than petrol.

It is a backward step though unless you own your own house.

And regarding the "75% of households have access to a parking space" what does that actually mean?

I highly doubt that many parking spaces are actually suitable for charging.
 
It is a backward step though unless you own your own house.

And regarding the "75% of households have access to a parking space" what does that actually mean?

I highly doubt that many parking spaces are actually suitable for charging.

Almost all of the 75% have their own off street parking. A small proportion of that figure have access to shared parking (usually in flats). So generally those figures are for areas that can relatively easily be given charging access.

Your original reply that I saw was also posted to someone who talked about the increase in range. Given the increasing ranges, and the fact that it's a hell of a lot easier to put in charging points, than build new petrol stations, I suspect that even for you, the trigger won't be the ability to charge to 100% in the same time it takes to fill a car.

I don't disagree that charging at home is the ideal, and some won't be able to do that, but I suspect that it'll become more about charging in places where we naturally stop (work, shops, parking bays), than making a special trip just to fill up.
 

This is just one example of why it won't work in many towns, especially old industrial ones like Oldham etc...

Row upon row of terraced houses. The guy in the article has basically been told, if he plugs his car in to charge it, then he is liable for a claim if someone trips over the cable.

Instead of the council trying to support him, they have tuned their back on him.
I'm guessing the answer may lie in some sort of socket set in the road like a catseye for example. Short cable with plug from front of car so no trip hazard - payment via phone/card like a lot of parking machines. I'm sure there must be a solution.
 

This is just one example of why it won't work in many towns, especially old industrial ones like Oldham etc...

Row upon row of terraced houses. The guy in the article has basically been told, if he plugs his car in to charge it, then he is liable for a claim if someone trips over the cable.

Instead of the council trying to support him, they have tuned their back on him.
Love how he wore his lifeline round his neck to the meeting with journo and photographer just in case the stress of it made him so ill
 

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