PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

dickie davies said:
It's a low bar they have to jump, balance of probabilities, not "prove without any doubt"

I don't believe the PL case will be proven and I don't even think City will be punished for non cooperation
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If fraud is involved, the burden of proof threshold is much higher than balance of probabilities and more aligned with beyond reasonable doubt.
 
M23 Citizen said:
I’ve thought about this and chatted to mates about it.

If we are found guilty of the more serious stuff or bloody all of it, the fanbase should demand the entire boardroom and Chairman resigned/sacked and demand the shareholders sell their shares/the club. Also for all the other clubs in the CFG to be sold and City become a singular club again.

None of them would deserve to continue working for or owning our football club. They’ll have lied to fans, Pep and players, making their fantastic achievements mean less. In many ways it would ruin the careers of the likes of David Silva, Kun Agüero, Kevin De Bruyne etc.; it would ruin the reputation of our club forever; plus it will make our fanbase look like a fucking joke who’ve been defending the club against the entire world.

Nobody running or owning the club could possibly stay.

I’d want a mass of the fanbase outside the ground protesting about it to get them all gone.

I’d still support City though. I’d still be there every week supporting a new look City with new owners/shareholders, a new Chairman and boardroom, new players and manager (because I’d doubt many would stick around) whatever league we were in. For the future of the club, it would need us more than ever before. We’d have to build our reputation and standing in the game back up ourselves. Maybe for us to become fan owned, at least to 51%.

Let’s hope it doesn’t come to this.
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I understand your position but I am not sure that I trust the process. The evidence would have to be absolutely irrefutable and show that the top management in the club are completely corrupt for me to take the type of action that you suggest. I cannot see that being the case and I think that other Premier League clubs including the red cartel have less than spotless records.

If there is just a bit of creative accounting proven then I'll take the medicine and support the team and current administration.

I will support the club whatever happens.
 
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Stoned Rose said:
This has all gone very quiet.

Imo if there was the slightest sniff coming out of the PL getting a result it’d be all over the press and the relegation stories would be everywhere.
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I think the only reason it’s quiet is because the panel are still deliberating tbh. I wouldn’t ready anything into it either way at this stage.
 
Nightmare Walking said:
I've done it a couple of times. It's not as hard as you think.
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that's you outed boy!
 
BerkshireBlue said:
If no concealment or fraud has taken place then practically everything is time barred
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It's not.
The PL rules operate differently which was one of the many differences between PL and UEFA. That's why we are here still waiting for an outcome.

We all want it to be an open and shut case, but there are two sets of highly paid legal teams who have only just completed their representations. We now have to wait months for a judgment.

We all want a judgment that says City didn't put a single foot wrong. What we fear is that with enough attempts to hit us, one or two punches might land, and that will be enough to formally claim 'City cheated'. As much as we don't like that, it's a possibility.
 
FanchesterCity said:
It's not.
The PL rules operate differently which was one of the many differences between PL and UEFA. That's why we are here still waiting for an outcome.

We all want it to be an open and shut case, but there are two sets of highly paid legal teams who have only just completed their representations. We now have to wait months for a judgment.

We all want a judgment that says City didn't put a single foot wrong. What we fear is that with enough attempts to hit us, one or two punches might land, and that will be enough to formally claim 'City cheated'. As much as we don't like that, it's a possibility.
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It is
 
Matt Diablo said:
www.standard.co.uk

Man City lawyer claims human rights issues would ‘distract’ football watchdog

Lord Pannick’s comments came as the House of Lords continued its line-by-line scrutiny of the Football Governance Bill.
www.standard.co.uk www.standard.co.uk
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That’s a fucking disgusting racist hatchet job. Anyone who knows about modern human slavery in the supply chain means you would be looking at all goods made & supplied & then follow that chain to audit the people & conditions. So let’s start with the US owned Nike football they play with that’s manufactured in Indonesia by independent factories. If you can’t fix the match ball then don’t even contemplate anything else. Panick is basically saying we’d look at every part of every billionaires income & find an abuse. I’m sure if I looked at every share in my fund there would be a clear failing.

You can always tell when it’s a hatchet job by using his defence of Green & Johnson. Neither of which had anything to do with human rights abuse. Perhaps a more relevant case would be defending gay serviceman or any other human rights cases.
 
FanchesterCity said:
It's not.
The PL rules operate differently which was one of the many differences between PL and UEFA. That's why we are here still waiting for an outcome.

We all want it to be an open and shut case, but there are two sets of highly paid legal teams who have only just completed their representations. We now have to wait months for a judgment.

We all want a judgment that says City didn't put a single foot wrong. What we fear is that with enough attempts to hit us, one or two punches might land, and that will be enough to formally claim 'City cheated'. As much as we don't like that, it's a possibility.
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You're right that they operate differently but PL rules still have to be governed in accordance with English law(as opposed to Swiss law). Where it's 6 years. Unless it's a case of concealment. Then it goes from the date of discovery, not the date of the breach. That's the simplified/layman's version I remember anyway.

They are clearly saying this was concealed. So time barring wont be an issue and the main accusation isn't that we broke FFP/PSR rules. False accounting has always been illegal, in football and elsewhere.
 
FanchesterCity said:
It's not.
The PL rules operate differently which was one of the many differences between PL and UEFA. That's why we are here still waiting for an outcome.

We all want it to be an open and shut case, but there are two sets of highly paid legal teams who have only just completed their representations. We now have to wait months for a judgment.

We all want a judgment that says City didn't put a single foot wrong. What we fear is that with enough attempts to hit us, one or two punches might land, and that will be enough to formally claim 'City cheated'. As much as we don't like that, it's a possibility.
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I think that just about every other club in the PL could well be on the end of 'one or two' landed punches. Try naming one where honesty, fairness or ethics are high up enough to gain public admiration. It doesn't exist in business, let alone this game, and in a culture where even senior Royals or clergy are not immune from public outing then there is no reason to believe that the other 19 EPL clubs are paragons of virtue either.
 
Metalartin said:
You're right that they operate differently but PL rules still have to be governed in accordance with English law(as opposed to Swiss law). Where it's 6 years. Unless it's a case of concealment. Then it goes from the date of discovery, not the date of the breach. That's the simplified/layman's version I remember anyway.

They are clearly saying this was concealed, same as UEFA were. So time barring wont be an issue and the main accusation isn't that we broke FFP/PSR rules. False accounting has always been illegal, in football and elsewhere.
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That's not entirely true.
Sports organisations have exemptions that allow them to have members agree on different rules that CAN conflict with statute.
A prime example of this is competitions based on gender or age. Specific legal medications excluding you from competition etc.
We already have investment limitations in sport that do not apply to other businesses. The recent ruling on APT didn't rule that putting limits on investments was illegal, it ruled that not applying similar rules to loans was unfair.
 
FanchesterCity said:
That's not entirely true.
Sports organisations have exemptions that allow them to have members agree on different rules that CAN conflict with statute.
A prime example of this is competitions based on gender or age. Specific legal medications excluding you from competition etc.
We already have investment limitations in sport that do not apply to other businesses. The recent ruling on APT didn't rule that putting limits on investments was illegal, it ruled that not applying similar rules to loans was unfair.
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This is a simple matter of limitation periods in arbitration. Unless you can think of a valid reason it should be longer for sport than elsewhere, why would it be? They have to have a valid argument, like the examples you gave. It's a pointless argument anyway IMO, the very nature of the accusation implies the club did something to disguise owner investment/equity funding.
 
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