PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

Damocles said:
Conversations naturally evolve and go on tangents and that's a good thing, too strict of an adherence to being "on topic" on the thread results in being viewed as heavy handed moderation.

Though maybe people considering if their post REALLY should be in the thread about the PL vs City financial case is the best option. Self moderation is better for everyone.
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I know what you're saying, but this thread managed about 7800 pages without a mention of on field performances etc
 
Prestwich_Blue said:
I should have been more precise.

I agree that UEFA only had the seven leaked emails when it started the case and the AC handed down its judgement. But by the time the appeal was heard at CAS, my reading is that City had complied with UEFA's request to release further associated emails, which it failed to do before that, and it was that prior lack of cooperation that was the only part of UEFA's charges that was upheld by CAS.
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UEFA went with the 6/7 emails hence 3 days. The scale of the PL case is really monumentally different in scale. But it seems very unlikely the City witnesses would have made those witness statements without a high degree of caution/examining all of the disclosable documents in the ongoing PL case (at that time).
 
slbsn said:
UEFA went with the 6/7 emails hence 3 days. The scale of the PL case is really monumentally different in scale. But it seems very unlikely the City witnesses would have made those witness statements without a high degree of caution/examining all of the disclosable documents in the ongoing PL case (at that time).
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I remember the stat that the Everton case had 1 million documents attached which I thought was bonkers then. Did that seem realistic and would the increased complexity of the City case see a proportional amount?
 
during the villa game i had the distinct feeling that the players were phoning it in, almost as if they know that whatever they do is pointless. is there a chance that they could have been briefed that all didnt go well or is that still too early to call?
 
kinkladze10 said:
Suez Fortune Investments Ltd v. Talbot Underwriting Ltd (Brilliante Birtuoso) 2019
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Does that really say the standard of proof in a civil case involving fraud is more aligned to the criminal standard, or is it just saying the standard is balance of probabilities but in view of the serious of the charges the cogency of the evidence required elevates the standard?

Which is what we have been saying in our case?

In the circumstances of the case quoted, this meant a standard not far short of the criminal standard. In our case, it may be less than that, or, much less likely, more?
 
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kinkladze10 said:
See above.
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That case is neither the leading authority or says what you say it says. In fact, as I previously explained it says the opposite - that the case will be decided on a BoP but with a requirement for cogent evidence but not anything like a criminal standard.

As I previously mentioned, it’s explained here:

open.substack.com

Conspiracy Theories and Innuendo will not prove the alleged Manchester City Conspiracy

There will be no Super Sub for cogent evidence
open.substack.com open.substack.com
 
Damocles said:
I remember the stat that the Everton case had 1 million documents attached which I thought was bonkers then. Did that seem realistic and would the increased complexity of the City case see a proportional amount?
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I don’t think Everton was a million but I’d expect a million pages in the trial bundle in PL v City.
 
Junior Blue 2171 said:
during the villa game i had the distinct feeling that the players were phoning it in, almost as if they know that whatever they do is pointless. is there a chance that they could have been briefed that all didnt go well or is that still too early to call?
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I think you might be on to something here.
Have you told anyone else?
 
Junior Blue 2171 said:
during the villa game i had the distinct feeling that the players were phoning it in, almost as if they know that whatever they do is pointless. is there a chance that they could have been briefed that all didnt go well or is that still too early to call?
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Phoning what in? What gave you the feeling?
 
Stoned Rose said:
Give over mate.
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Loads of docs, plenty of authorities, enormous amounts of accounting data, numerous witness statements and appendices, expert reports and annexures and numerous years of this stuff. Digital bundles on 12 week trials routinely this scale
 
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