PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[slbsn]

I could quote case law if you like?

Sure

 

[slbsn]

I should have been more precise.

I agree that UEFA only had the seven leaked emails when it started the case and the AC handed down its judgement. But by the time the appeal was heard at CAS, my reading is that City had complied with UEFA's request to release further associated emails, which it failed to do before that, and it was that prior lack of cooperation that was the only part of UEFA's charges that was upheld by CAS.

UEFA went with the 6/7 emails hence 3 days. The scale of the PL case is really monumentally different in scale. But it seems very unlikely the City witnesses would have made those witness statements without a high degree of caution/examining all of the disclosable documents in the ongoing PL case (at that time).

 

[Stoned Rose]

Far be it for me to digress and I agree wholeheartedly that people should stay on topic or push off, but the phrase I think you are looking for is tittle tattle.

Not if he’s a proper Manc it isn’t.

 

[Damocles]

UEFA went with the 6/7 emails hence 3 days. The scale of the PL case is really monumentally different in scale. But it seems very unlikely the City witnesses would have made those witness statements without a high degree of caution/examining all of the disclosable documents in the ongoing PL case (at that time).

I remember the stat that the Everton case had 1 million documents attached which I thought was bonkers then. Did that seem realistic and would the increased complexity of the City case see a proportional amount?

 

[kinkladze10]

Sure

See above.

 

[J.G.Blue.]

I think tickle tackle might be something else.. HAHA

I think a Tickle Tackle was something Steve Kinsey did whe he was trying to win the ball back after he usually lost it?

 

[Junior Blue 2171]

during the villa game i had the distinct feeling that the players were phoning it in, almost as if they know that whatever they do is pointless. is there a chance that they could have been briefed that all didnt go well or is that still too early to call?

 

[Damocles]

during the villa game i had the distinct feeling that the players were phoning it in, almost as if they know that whatever they do is pointless. is there a chance that they could have been briefed that all didnt go well or is that still too early to call?

No, it's not possible

 

[halfcenturyup]

Suez Fortune Investments Ltd v. Talbot Underwriting Ltd (Brilliante Birtuoso) 2019

Does that really say the standard of proof in a civil case involving fraud is more aligned to the criminal standard, or is it just saying the standard is balance of probabilities but in view of the serious of the charges the cogency of the evidence required elevates the standard?

Which is what we have been saying in our case?

In the circumstances of the case quoted, this meant a standard not far short of the criminal standard. In our case, it may be less than that, or, much less likely, more?

 

[slbsn]

See above.

That case is neither the leading authority or says what you say it says. In fact, as I previously explained it says the opposite - that the case will be decided on a BoP but with a requirement for cogent evidence but not anything like a criminal standard.

As I previously mentioned, it’s explained here:

Conspiracy Theories and Innuendo will not prove the alleged Manchester City Conspiracy

There will be no Super Sub for cogent evidence

open.substack.com

 

[slbsn]

I remember the stat that the Everton case had 1 million documents attached which I thought was bonkers then. Did that seem realistic and would the increased complexity of the City case see a proportional amount?

I don’t think Everton was a million but I’d expect a million pages in the trial bundle in PL v City.

 

[Stoned Rose]

during the villa game i had the distinct feeling that the players were phoning it in, almost as if they know that whatever they do is pointless. is there a chance that they could have been briefed that all didnt go well or is that still too early to call?

Explain the Foden goal then.

 

[Stoned Rose]

I don’t think Everton was a million but I’d expect a million pages in the trial bundle in PL v City.

Give over mate.

 

[manimanc]

during the villa game i had the distinct feeling that the players were phoning it in, almost as if they know that whatever they do is pointless. is there a chance that they could have been briefed that all didnt go well or is that still too early to call?

I think you might be on to something here.
Have you told anyone else?

 

[mexico1970]

someone is coming out of this looking really really bad and I don't believe it's going to be us, the PL brand is fucked after this and it's going to be exposed for what it is which is a cartel enabling civilian quango.

 

[Gorton_Tubster]

during the villa game i had the distinct feeling that the players were phoning it in, almost as if they know that whatever they do is pointless. is there a chance that they could have been briefed that all didnt go well or is that still too early to call?

Phoning what in? What gave you the feeling?

 

[Paul1970]

Just wish it was sorted either way now . We are all duck in limbo waiting for result

 

[slbsn]

Give over mate.

Loads of docs, plenty of authorities, enormous amounts of accounting data, numerous witness statements and appendices, expert reports and annexures and numerous years of this stuff. Digital bundles on 12 week trials routinely this scale

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

The words "It's not winning but how you win" has never had more meaning over the last few seasons.

As has "FUCKING SHOOT" instead of constantly passing the ball backwards from crossing and shooting positions.

But not when Walker or Dias has the ball……

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Arsenal, Liverpool, Newcastle, Villa, Brighton, Bournemouth.

They might not have had consistency in terms of getting results over the course of the season but they were all capable of playing more fluid, incisive, energetic football than our pedestrian relentless passing game which achieved results by just wearing teams down.

In our defence virtually every team we faced simply parked the bus, which could be used as an excuse for our style of play, but it doesn't change the fact that there were teams playing more incisive football than us throughout the season.

Strange analogy given that we scored more goals than every other team and conceded less than them all, bar Arsenal.
I suppose you can’t please all of the people all of the time….