PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[gordondaviesmoustache]

If we win, there is nothing more to be said.

Profoundly disagree.

 

[kippax123]

Profoundly disagree.

Bloody hell give us some hope.

 

[KS55]

If we win, there is nothing more to be said. We continue to let our talking happen on the pitch.

How about “Sack Masters.”

 

[ufo]

I spend a lot of time reading this thread but don’t post very often. However today I’m giving it a go. I particularly want to address the viewpoint of some, which I think is flawed and that is the trust in the legitimacy of the case against City and why the case was launched.
I don’t have the legal or accounting background of some on here, although I do have experience in 2 areas, that I think can throw a little light on some matters. Firstly I have run a successful business, in a field that was highly competitive and self regulated. Secondly within that field I was an elected member of the board that regulated the industry in question and also a member of the panel that wrote the rule book . I won’t be naming the industry.
I know from personal experience how the rules and regulations can easily be influenced by individuals and individual businesses. I also know how the executive of an industry can be completely manipulated by the more powerful organisations it is supposed to represent and regulate. It’s so easy for me to see parallels with the way the PL is run and the industry I was involved in.
Admittedly the industry isn’t as big as football but it impacted on almost every person in the U.K.
I’ll give one small example of what I mean. A newcomer to the industry came up with a new way of doing business. This immediately threatened the business model of my company and others. To stop this newcomer in its tracks we changed the rules under which business could be done. We did this by seeking help from other board members we’d worked with in the past and collectively put pressure on the executive to act.
We also went to the government department associated with our industry and via our contacts there persuaded them that the newcomers business methods were in breach of government regulations, this was highly debatable but we’d worked with the people in charge for years and had close business relationships with them. We persuaded them the newcomers methods were going to be more trouble than they were worth and they acted accordingly.
Once we’d changed the rules and persuaded government to act we then attacked the integrity of the newcomer business with their clients and they soon gave up and went away.
The point I’m, probably badly, trying to make is that businesses protect their own interests and that in many fields, including I believe football, specific interests can easily be portrayed as “looking after the interests of all parties”. Also it’s so easy for big players to influence any self regulated industry.
Obviously there’s a lot more to the scenario above but I’m aware I’ve already rambled on.
PS I’m not proud of what we did but want people without experience of business to understand how the world can work.

Hi masters, welcome to blue moan

 

[LesBleuMiserable]

How about “Sack Masters.”

Burn him on Bonfire night?

 

[mcfcphil]

Profoundly disagree.

Profoundly seconded

 

[deano ou812]

Just remember that certain clubs have been trying to stitch us up from not long after we were took over,we just want a fair crack at the whip when it comes to competing..But other clubs don’t like competition and I’ll give them some credit who ever was behind the smear campaign against City has played a blinder,but I hope the end game see’s these cnuts who for what they are scumbags who know what’s coming, OPEN Your Eyes FFS fans of other clubs.

 

[JewelZee]

Don’t know if you’ve ever heard of ‘rope a dope’.
A simple boxing tactic made famous by Muhammad Ali which consisted almost entirely of lying on the ropes and letting your opponent punch himself out then springing into action when they have nothing left to defend themselves and knocking them out.
Incredibly simple and effective.

It left Big George Foreman knocked out and Ali with permanent brain damage...

 

[pauls]

Costs were probably split in the APT hearing but we may never know. It would be a very good indicator who the Tribunal assessed as the overall winner.

Etihad has gone through for at least this season (look around) and it’s very large. We don’t know if City have successfully gone back on the rejected deal or simply accepted a lower amount as approvable. The ten year deal with the compounded uplifts in the later years will exceed £1bn.

Not sure of the significance but noticed for the first time on Gironas shirts recently !

 

[halfcenturyup]

Just remember that certain clubs have been trying to stitch us up from not long after we were took over,we just want a fair crack at the whip when it comes to competing..But other clubs don’t like competition and I’ll give them some credit who ever was behind the smear campaign against City has played a blinder,but I hope the end game see’s these cnuts who for what they are scumbags who know what’s coming, OPEN Your Eyes FFS fans of other clubs.

The worst thing is that it was pretty much self-inflicted. Get hacked in 2012, don't perform an in-depth review of computer security (presumably, at least not a good one, obviously), and get hacked again in 2018. Scandalous, really.

 

[halfcenturyup]

It left Big George Foreman knocked out and Ali with permanent brain damage...

If ever there was a good analogy for what is happening with the PL and City/fans.......

 

[cheekybids]

The worst thing is that it was pretty much self-inflicted. Get hacked in 2012, don't perform an in-depth review of computer security (presumably, at least not a good one, obviously), and get hacked again in 2018. Scandalous, really.

If it wasn’t that they’d have tried other stuff. It’s been continuous attempts to smear & destroy us & they’ll keep trying.

 

[BolinCell]

If it wasn’t that they’d have tried other stuff. It’s been continuous attempts to smear & destroy us & they’ll keep trying.

You might not be able to spend what you want on the squad but you can spend as much as you like on cyber security.

 

[cheekybids]

You might not be able to spend what you want on the squad but you can spend as much as you like on cyber security.

I agree & it was shit by City but the notion the cartel would have accepted their place but for Pinto hacking us is fanciful.

 

[1961_vintage]

If we win, there is nothing more to be said. We continue to let our talking happen on the pitch.

A weak, servile and ultimately failing strategy.

 

[The perfect fumble]

I recall you have been saying this since the charges were brought, and nothing in the public domain has yet developed to undermine this statement in any way.

The reputational damage to the club is enormous, I've never been a fan of the let's drink rivals tears defiance so popular in here. In my experience, the constant 115 has adversely effected my enjoyment of our club's amazing achievements and I know I'm not alone, I'm sick to death of it, I really am, I want this thread closed forever and I want the club to exact it's pound of flesh publicly and with prejudice.

In the absence of a smoking gun, process is a wonderful tool for bad faith actors in authority to punish by other means, I've seen with my own eyes how the not so criminal justice system uses the opaque, interminably slow non crime hate shite to terrorise mostly elderly women into frightened silence. I don't think Khaldoon or Soriano either thought through or cared how the excruciatingly long drawn out 115 would effect the fan base.

We all know how this ends, there'll be no redemption in the outcome, no unequivocal innocence, just some variance of guilt, the only mystery is its shade and spin.

 

[Micky Blue]

If we win, there is nothing more to be said. We continue to let our talking happen on the pitch.

I disagree. It would be nice if we could do that. But I feel it’s gone too far and they will try this shit again if we don’t hold them to account.

We need to go after all of them.
Hopefully HHSM purchase of the telegraph goes through then we can use them as our media voice.

We need to get across that it was a witch hunt oriented around racism and jealousy.
We need the general public to know how nefarious this case was.
We need the PL to be held to account and the media (that **** Herbert et al…) too.
They wouldn’t get away with saying what they said about any other business.
Or even football club.
We need to go after the bastards with all guns blazing.
Masters needs to resign and so do all the other members of the PL who enabled this like Mai Fyfield.
The next man or woman in the media to say anything defamatory we make an example of them, we bury them in legal costs and take no apology or settlement we drag them all the way through the court system and set the precedent.

We need to ensure this never happens again.

If we get that across the true reasons for this investigation the media and the PL will hopefully be too scared to pull this shit again.
Then we can let all the talking be done on the pitch.

 

[GaudinoMotors]

I disagree. It would be nice if we could do that. But I feel it’s gone too far and they will try this shit again if we don’t hold them to account.

We need to go after all of them.
Hopefully HHSM purchase of the telegraph goes through then we can use them as our media voice.

We need to get across that it was a witch hunt oriented around racism and jealousy.
We need the general public to know how nefarious this case was.
We need the PL to be held to account and the media (that **** Herbert et al…) too.
They wouldn’t get away with saying what they said about any other business.
Or even football club.
We need to go after the bastards with all guns blazing.
Masters needs to resign and so do all the other members of the PL who enabled this like Mai Fyfield.
The next man or woman in the media to say anything defamatory we make an example of them, we bury them in legal costs and take no apology or settlement we drag them all the way through the court system and set the precedent.

We need to ensure this never happens again.

If we get that across the true reasons for this investigation the media and the PL will hopefully be too scared to pull this shit again.
Then we can let all the talking be done on the pitch.

Dec can hold his piece of paper aloft, but this would be the correct strategy.

 

[waspish]

The reputational damage to the club is enormous, I've never been a fan of the let's drink rivals tears defiance so popular in here. In my experience, the constant 115 has adversely effected my enjoyment of our club's amazing achievements and I know I'm not alone, I'm sick to death of it, I really am, I want this thread closed forever and I want the club to exact it's pound of flesh publicly and with prejudice.

In the absence of a smoking gun, process is a wonderful tool for bad faith actors in authority to punish by other means, I've seen with my own eyes how the not so criminal justice system uses the opaque, interminably slow non crime hate shite to terrorise mostly elderly women into frightened silence. I don't think Khaldoon or Soriano either thought through or cared how the excruciatingly long drawn out 115 would effect the fan base.

We all know how this ends, there'll be no redemption in the outcome, no unequivocal innocence, just some variance of guilt, the only mystery is its shade and spin.

Oh yeah! if we found guilty of not cooperating and innocent of everything else the headline firsts line will be "Man City Found Guilty" then you'd have to read the article to find out we actually innocent!

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

The reputational damage to the club is enormous, I've never been a fan of the let's drink rivals tears defiance so popular in here. In my experience, the constant 115 has adversely effected my enjoyment of our club's amazing achievements and I know I'm not alone, I'm sick to death of it, I really am, I want this thread closed forever and I want the club to exact it's pound of flesh publicly and with prejudice.

The club should, but I doubt it will.