PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[The perfect fumble]

Thread has turned a bit silly.

Firstly we don’t know the outcome so the “when we’re cleared” posts are premature.

Second, imo we won’t be cleared of “everything”. There’ll be something, somewhere, most likely non-cooperation, we get “done” for.

If this happens, it’ll be impossible for City to come out with any kind of statement that puts all this to bed. The man in the street will always be able to say “cheats, you just made it too difficult for them to prove it by hiding all the evidence”.

My view, at this stage, is that’s been the aim all along. A long, drawn out, expensive character assassination and a powerful way of asterixing the club’s achievements.

You're most likely right, we are all prisoners of guesswork, but there are two aspects to a long drawn out process.

The first is, as you pointed out, a long drawn out process is a punishment.

But the second, which rarely gets mentioned, is no matter how punishing and damaging a long drawn out process is, it's nothing compared to a swift bang to rights. UEFA sought a swift bang to rights in the absence of evidence, a "never mind a trial let's get to the sentence" approach and we called their bluff at CAS.

Unlike UEFA, the Premier League, let's not forget after a four year investigation of their own, went straight to process. Stefan might well say that's because the charges are so complex and difficult to prove, and he's right, but what it also tells you is the Premier league does not have a smoking gun, it doesn't have a damning whistle blower, it doesn't have the Sheikh's finger prints on oodles of cash, they don't have their gotcha moment, a.....

Coz if they did have just one more thing, we wouldn't be talking about process as punishment stretched over many years, we'd be talking about "the" punishment, we'd not be playing Salford in the FA Cup, we'd be playing them in the league.

 

[johnnytapia]

There has been an issue with IT use for years. Even when Garry Cook copied in his notorious email to Nedum’s mum by mistake. It cost him his job! It has been a human and a technical problem.

Nothing technical about the Cook email, just human error. Compounded further by his mea culpa “someone’s hacked my email” bollocks. You hit “reply all” mate- and it cost you dearly.

 

[Grassland Blue]

PSR is an automatic process. You submit your accounts and add back any allowable expenses. But yes, if they exceed the £105m maximum allowable loss then the PL should investigate. That's when they bring in Stevie Wonder to scrutinise the rags' accounts.

Or they borrow 'arry's dog to eat the evidence.....

 

[BlueRockape]

And where we can make much more headway. You’ve got to choose your battles and we ain’t getting anywhere fast in Scandinavia.

Talking to a Norwegian Leeds fan yesterday and his belief is things are changing with the arrival of Haaland and Bob

 

[decmancity]

I dont realy care what he usualy does .
He represents Manchester City wich most here have supported long before he knew they existed.
If they want City to be the biggest and best club in the world they must act , they are losing the fight and if they thing they are not in a war they must wake up.

Our performances on the pitch and off the pitch have already made us one of the biggest and best clubs in the world. All orchestrated by Khaldoon.

Stop believing the hype.

 

[johnnytapia]

Or they borrow 'arry's dog to eat the evidence.....

Having Peter Crouch as one of the jurors will have helped. (True story).

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Nothing technical about the Cook email, just human error. Compounded further by his mea culpa “someone’s hacked my email” bollocks. You hit “reply all” mate- and it cost you dearly.

We’ve all done it!

 

[johnnytapia]

We’ve all done it!

Absofuckinglutely!

 

[Cityfan1977]

I don’t think the Nordic region is typical though mate, because support for United and especially Liverpool is so ingrained. So a negative narrative around City is much more likely to take root than in other parts of the world.

And in Ireland / UK ?

we have to fill a 60.000 Etihad in 10 years time , can we ?

 

[give it to gordon]

And in Ireland / UK ?

we have to fill a 60.000 Etihad in 10 years time , can we ?

Filling the stadium isn't the problem.

The cost of the tickets are the problem

 

[Cityfan1977]

Our performances on the pitch and off the pitch have already made us one of the biggest and best clubs in the world. All orchestrated by Khaldoon.

Stop believing the hype.

True but what if we are not winning everything all the time ? Success comes in waves no team can win all the time.

 

[EricBrooksGhost]

The first one was the unauthorised Liverpool access. Unauthorised access due to poor security procedures. Big wake-up call. The second was Pinto. A different kettle of fish, of course, But none of it reflects well on the efficiency of security management.

All imho, of course.

I thought they used an existing users password, if so what exactly is poor about the security procedures?
Other than user education on cyber security, fundamentally it's down to human ineptitude not lax security; you don't change everyone's passwords when one person leaves a company.

Edit: I do agree that we should have more than just password based access i.e. 2FA; but if an existing user's password was used the flaw is with that user

 

[Tarzan Pancake]

I'm in Asia and when anyone asks me where I am from, and I say Manchester, they ask "City or Utd?". 15 years ago they didn't even know who City were, or would say "Small team". A lot of city shirts as well. Liverpool and Utd still have huge followings but I never see Arsenal or Tottenham kits. Barely any Chelsea either.

 

[Cityfan1977]

Filling the stadium isn't the problem.

The cost of the tickets are the problem

No ticket price is same everywere in PL

 

[KS55]

I thought they used an existing users password, if so what exactly is poor about the security procedures?
Other than user education on cyber security, fundamentally it's down to human ineptitude not lax security; you don't change everyone's passwords when one person leaves a company.

You do, if he has access to the most important data. Just one dept needed to change.

 

[EricBrooksGhost]

You do, if he has access to the most important data. Just one dept needed to change.

Seriously, you don't. Have better security e.g. 2FA as per my edit to original post

 

[gocity]

Our IT security has been incompetent for as long as I can remember. I'm not going to go into huge and illegal details but I happen to know that there were business development and other meetings that you could just watch online if you had the right link all the way up until about 2020.

I t bad, not only on security, Ticketing, Season ticket foul ups, poor web design, lack of proper system testing whenever they made a big change

 

[StillBluessinceHydeRoad]

not sure how I feel about our response should we be fully cleared.

Obviously a very strong club statement to start.

Possibly to demand a similar public statement from media outlets.

A public declaration from the PL of our innocence ( as opposed to no guilty ) along with public acknowledgement of what the club has endured.

Not sure burning the world down around us would help as that would hurt us too.

We all feel angry and most of us probably want some bloodcurdling revenge on Masters, the PL and the cartel. But media outlets would simply refuse any such statement and probably add an insulting interpretation of the award. The PL would probably refuse also and issue a pious statement about its responsibility for maintaining the integrity of the league and its competition when clubs may have breached the very necessary rules. The MSM, the PL and the cartel know a fair bit about non-cooperation.

 

[Gone for a Burton]

Mate I live Ramsgate SE Kent and the local sports direct has very few City shirts. Only started stocking a few about 10 years ago, didnt even have any City stuff after the Aguero moment .Haven't seen a City calendar anywhere this year. Who needs shops when it's just as easy to buy online.
But there is a big increase in young kids wearing City kits.

Two young Asian girls on the golf range last night wearing City shirts, and lots of other young multi-ethnic lads round the place with City gear on.

Away from the bitter, envious and ignorant English media we get very fair & factual coverage.

The average international punter knows little or nothing about 115 cos its not reported front and centre.

They take us at face value....a great team !!

 

[chocovla]

I thought they used an existing users password, if so what exactly is poor about the security procedures?
Other than user education on cyber security, fundamentally it's down to human ineptitude not lax security; you don't change everyone's passwords when one person leaves a company.

Edit: I do agree that we should have more than just password based access i.e. 2FA; but if an existing user's password was used the flaw is with that user

In badly run companies these rights and roles are often found in several systems and sites therefore making it very hard to gauge which accounts someone has used. In more mature environments these rights are assigned using formal procedures with roles which can and should be revoked whenever someone leaves the company.

In this case someone left City, but their account was still there. Even worse, it was still active. A big nono. Therefore City should have had a better procedure for leaving users where all rights and roles are automatically revoked on the last day.