Middle East Conflict

[TinFoilHat]

They need to look at what city did.

Berkovic/Bernabia peace accord has a nice ring to it.

 

[bluethrunthru]

And here they go again

 

[Palerider]

So what are the borders of the Israeli homeland?

Less than what they want but more than the Palestinians want them to have?

The Palestinians are desperate, absolutely desperate for a skilled political operator. They need to negotiate the best deal they can get, take it, stick to it and get back to living their lives. Listen to the peace makers not the war mongers.

 

[Mr Kobayashi]

Less than what they want but more than the Palestinians want them to have?

The Palestinians are desperate, absolutely desperate for a skilled political operator. They need to negotiate the best deal they can get, take it, stick to it and get back to living their lives. Listen to the peace makers not the war mongers.

Do you think they should choose to live in dog cages rather than be bombed by nuclear weapons?

Would you support nuclear genocide?

 

[The blue phantom]

Less than what they want but more than the Palestinians want them to have?

The Palestinians are desperate, absolutely desperate for a skilled political operator. They need to negotiate the best deal they can get, take it, stick to it and get back to living their lives. Listen to the peace makers not the war mongers.

Do you think the Israeli settlers are illegally occupying the West Bank and should be fucked off back to their own land?

 

[Vic]

They need to look at what city did.

Berkovic/Bernabia peace accord has a nice ring to it.

That was an Arab-Israeli pass process.

 

[Postman Pep]

Less than what they want but more than the Palestinians want them to have?

Since when did the Palestinians get a say in what the borders of Israel are? Or the Lebanese or the Syrians? As noted above even the Egyptians are getting twitchy at what might be coming their way. Mind you they could achieve full Greater Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates and you'd be in here banging on about the lesser of 2 evils .."yeah but those Palestinians with their hateful ideology".

The answer to the question is the internationally agreed and recognised borders. At present that means those of June 1967. Sure the World's policeman refuses to enforce it and other Western powers merely pay lip service to it but that is the international consensus. Why should the Palestinians accept anything less?

The Palestinians are desperate, absolutely desperate for a skilled political operator. They need to negotiate the best deal they can get, take it, stick to it and get back to living their lives.

Lol. When you say skilled political operator you mean someone who would accept a lot less in exchange for a security force and a Presidential palace in Ramallah. The reality you are avoiding is that anybody with wide appeal who wouldn't accept scraps from the table would end up rotting in an Israeli dungeon. See Marwan Barghouti as an example.

Have an extra lol for "get back to living their lives". "Can't we just move on from last 8 decades ...."

Listen to the peace makers not the war mongers.

Taking a side is at least an honest position no need to sugarcoat your apologism with this nonsense.... but it does beg the question who are the peacemakers on the Israeli side?

I am possibly a bit harsh on Arafat because the reality is we will never know how much he would have settled for above the marginal gains that Abbas and the PA retain to this day. But he never walked away.

Bit of historical perspective for you. In 20 days time it will be 24 years since the last meaningful negotiations took place in Taba,Egypt. That is 6 presidential inaugurations on, Clinton wasn't even a lame duck. Don't get me wong there were serious, probably insurmountable, reservations on both sides but at that point they were still talking.

A couple of weeks later the Israeli public booted Barak from office in favour of none other than the butcher of Sabra and Shatila, and it's been pretty much "might as well be Sharon" ever since in the form of the butcher of Gaza. So much for your antipathy towards warmongers.

Presumably you will respond with something along the lines of the generic "Israeli's just need to get rid of these extremist governments that they keep voting for" ...... meanwhile

 

[Palerider]

Since when did the Palestinians get a say in what the borders of Israel are? Or the Lebanese or the Syrians? As noted above even the Egyptians are getting twitchy at what might be coming their way. Mind you they could achieve full Greater Israel from the Nile to the Euphrates and you'd be in here banging on about the lesser of 2 evils .."yeah but those Palestinians with their hateful ideology".

The answer to the question is the internationally agreed and recognised borders. At present that means those of June 1967. Sure the World's policeman refuses to enforce it and other Western powers merely pay lip service to it but that is the international consensus. Why should the Palestinians accept anything less?

Lol. When you say skilled political operator you mean someone who would accept a lot less in exchange for a security force and a Presidential palace in Ramallah. The reality you are avoiding is that anybody with wide appeal who wouldn't accept scraps from the table would end up rotting in an Israeli dungeon. See Marwan Barghouti as an example.

Have an extra lol for "get back to living their lives". "Can't we just move on from last 8 decades ...."

Taking a side is at least an honest position no need to sugarcoat your apologism with this nonsense.... but it does beg the question who are the peacemakers on the Israeli side?

I am possibly a bit harsh on Arafat because the reality is we will never know how much he would have settled for above the marginal gains that Abbas and the PA retain to this day. But he never walked away.

Bit of historical perspective for you. In 20 days time it will be 24 years since the last meaningful negotiations took place in Taba,Egypt. That is 6 presidential inaugurations on, Clinton wasn't even a lame duck. Don't get me wong there were serious, probably insurmountable, reservations on both sides but at that point they were still talking.

A couple of weeks later the Israeli public booted Barak from office in favour of none other than the butcher of Sabra and Shatila, and it's been pretty much "might as well be Sharon" ever since in the form of the butcher of Gaza. So much for your antipathy towards warmongers.

Presumably you will respond with something along the lines of the generic "Israeli's just need to get rid of these extremist governments that they keep voting for" ...... meanwhile

So what is your workable solution? Assuming no one believes that either group is going anywhere else soon what is the answer? You must have one surely.

 

[The blue phantom]

So what is your workable solution? Assuming no one believes that either group is going anywhere else soon what is the answer? You must have one surely.

Stop thieving land and slaughtering tens of thousands of kids would be a start.

 

[Palerider]

Stop thieving land and slaughtering tens of thousands of kids would be a start.

Call me pedantic but how is that much different to a call for peace (that millions of people, including me, want)? Presumably you want BOTH sides to stop killing each other and each others children? and implicit in the word 'peace' is that you do not break each others agreed borders?

 

[bluethrunthru]

I see Mike is still on the gear .....

 

[Damocles]

I see Mike is still on the gear .....

It's actually absolutely as fucking bonkers as it sounds. He thinks the US should nominate the IDF for the Nobel Peace Prize for invading Syria.

The IDF should be nominated for the Nobel Peace Prize

Thank God Israel had the courage to sometimes ignore its most powerful ally

www.thejc.com

 

[Luddite_Blue]

I believe Bigga called it on here first, Biden's a fucking monster.

The Biden Administration’s False History of Ceasefire Negotiations - CIP

Muhammad Shehada is a Gazan writer and analyst Over the past months, outgoing Secretary of State Antony Blinken has given several interviews in which he repeatedly claims that Hamas, rather than Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, has been the key obstacle to achieving a ceasefire and...

internationalpolicy.org

 

[The blue phantom]

I believe Bigga called it on here first, Biden's a fucking monster.

The Biden Administration’s False History of Ceasefire Negotiations - CIP

Muhammad Shehada is a Gazan writer and analyst Over the past months, outgoing Secretary of State Antony Blinken has given several interviews in which he repeatedly claims that Hamas, rather than Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, has been the key obstacle to achieving a ceasefire and...

internationalpolicy.org

I've been calling him a Monster for a year which is exactly what he is. I hope he's tortured when he eventually reaches Hell as that's where the horrible **** is going.

 

[TinFoilHat]

Another bought and paid for member of the Zionist lobbyists.

 

[Postman Pep]

I believe Bigga called it on here first, Biden's a fucking monster.

The Biden Administration’s False History of Ceasefire Negotiations - CIP

Muhammad Shehada is a Gazan writer and analyst Over the past months, outgoing Secretary of State Antony Blinken has given several interviews in which he repeatedly claims that Hamas, rather than Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, has been the key obstacle to achieving a ceasefire and...

internationalpolicy.org

I suppose we shouldn't be surprised given his long track record. I shared this back in the summer but on re-reading it this paragraph jumped out.

Less than a week after the Sabra and Shatila massacre in Lebanon in 1982, Biden flew to a retreat held by the United Jewish Appeal Young Leadership Cabinet, where he spoke alongside AIPAC’s executive director and an official at the Israeli embassy in Washington, DC, named Benjamin Netanyahu. A year later, even as other pro-Israel politicians urged Israel to withdraw from the country, Biden insisted that “Israel’s presence in Lebanon is vitally important.”

How Joe Biden Became a Steadfast Israel Defender

Why has Joe Biden been such a die-hard defender of Benjamin Netanyahu’s genocidal campaign against Gaza? The answer can be found in part through a deep dive into Biden’s early political career.

jacobin.com

 

[Luddite_Blue]

I suppose we shouldn't be surprised given his long track record. I shared this back in the summer but on re-reading it this paragraph jumped out.

Less than a week after the Sabra and Shatila massacre in Lebanon in 1982, Biden flew to a retreat held by the United Jewish Appeal Young Leadership Cabinet, where he spoke alongside AIPAC’s executive director and an official at the Israeli embassy in Washington, DC, named Benjamin Netanyahu. A year later, even as other pro-Israel politicians urged Israel to withdraw from the country, Biden insisted that “Israel’s presence in Lebanon is vitally important.”

How Joe Biden Became a Steadfast Israel Defender

Why has Joe Biden been such a die-hard defender of Benjamin Netanyahu’s genocidal campaign against Gaza? The answer can be found in part through a deep dive into Biden’s early political career.

jacobin.com

Fucking hell, that's sickening.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

I believe Bigga called it on here first, Biden's a fucking monster.

The Biden Administration’s False History of Ceasefire Negotiations - CIP

Muhammad Shehada is a Gazan writer and analyst Over the past months, outgoing Secretary of State Antony Blinken has given several interviews in which he repeatedly claims that Hamas, rather than Israeli Prime Minister Benjamin Netanyahu, has been the key obstacle to achieving a ceasefire and...

internationalpolicy.org

I said I was done in here, but I keep reading……
I can’t say it’s nothing I have not suspected from the start, that what happened on October 7th was nothing more than the perfect excuse for Netanyahu.
That may seem a harsh summation of the past year, but…..

To our American friends in here, whether you are democrat or republican, what now?

If there is any modicum of truth to that story, then what now with Trump’s declaration of all hell breaking loose if the hostages aren’t released by his inauguration.?
This could get seriously nasty, with America up to their butt in the guilt of what transpires while at the same time saying ‘well we/Israel are justified in any actions taken’

God help the families of the Israeli hostages who seem inconsequential, never mind the Palestinian people.

 

[The Fat el Hombre]

Justice to be served? Exceptional work from the Hind Rijab foundation



Israel seems to be responding to potentially facing justice by hiding the war criminals involved (not actually stopping the crimes themselves god no!):



Telling it's war criminals where they are best to go on holiday so that they can avoid facing justice for their monstrous crimes:



And Israel is also destroying evidence and helping potential war criminals flee countries where they might face justice:



No morals. No humanity. No justice

Standard stuff we've come to expect from Israel

 

[bluethrunthru]

I hope everybody can see that we have seen across ALL UK TV news more footage of damaged and destroyed homes and a landscape laid in waste coming out of California than we have seen in 15 months odd Israel have been flattening homes in and laying waste to Gaza .......... priorities