PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

[KS55]

This thread goes round in circles.
Same question gets asked, thread goes into a spin, usual posters come and calm the nerves, everything great.
Rinse and repeat.

It all helps to make this the longest thread in BM history. Guinness book of records stuff once the verdict is announced.
Either a) The bastards, how can they say that? (1,000 extra pages)
Or b) Yah boo sucks. Let the piss boiling begin. (2’000 extra pages)

 

[Toranaga sama]

In Arabic.

Ya Cuntish Habibi

 

[laserblue]

Would be a perfect ending if Khaldoon calls him a ****

كُسّ

Prounced kuss.

 

[M18CTID]

For some reason the fact that City seem to have briefed this feels like a bit of a sneer to Masters.

Maybe it’s me this time reading too much into things.

I'm doing my best not to get ahead of myself but so much of what City have been doing of late doesn't exactly come across as a club that thinks they're worried about the outcome of this case.

 

[Chris in London]

I actually think whether the AA applies to disciplinary hearings is potentially arguable but under s43 as I understand it, compelling a witness requires the agreement of the other party or permission of the tribunal. City would not have agreed so I am saying it is theoretically possible if not practically.

Hmmm. Not sure about that. When you have a contractual arrangement that specifically engages arbitration, as with the APT issue, then I think it’s not easy to argue that other parts of the same contract that don’t engage arbitration, like disciplinary proceedings, are in fact also arbitrations within the meaning of the AA

 

[mancboy]

كُسّ

Prounced kuss.

well at least i know how to covertly insult people in work now

 

[KS55]

Arabic spells everything ‘backwards’, so Koolhand could call him a tnuc.

 

[The Light Was Yellow Sir]

Have you ever stumbled across Winter's brother? Not literally, but online? Absolutely fascinating.

Timothy Winter - Wikipedia

en.m.wikipedia.org

I wonder why there’s a 35 year embargo on his PhD?

 

[slbsn]

Hmmm. Not sure about that. When you have a contractual arrangement that specifically engages arbitration, as with the APT issue, then I think it’s not easy to argue that other parts of the same contract that don’t engage arbitration, like disciplinary proceedings, are in fact also arbitrations within the meaning of the AA

I agree with that logic. I am merely saying it is potentially arguable. It is hardly a stretch to imagine a party arguing that a quasi arbitration (a disciplinary with very similar arrangements to something called an arbitration in a later chapter and in rules to be construed in accordance with English law) was within the AA even if likely to fail as an argument. I haven't looked at the cases but I think it is just sort of thing a highly paid KC may argue if it suited his/her client.

As it happens, I don't think it matters much because logically if it is not an arbitration and not in the AA, then presumably, in the absence of written rules in Rule W, the construed English law process the KCs would argue would be broadly the same anyway in terms of how one side could compel a third party witness.

And as I have said, regardless of the theory, no party will have risked compelling witnesses here.

 

[blueste41]

I don't think you can suggest a contract of that duration is a conventional deal or doesn't have many PR elements. We know for sure it is a unique English contract.

Nor did it need to be announced in mid January or in the middle of the period between the end of the hearing and the judgment.

But it is perfectly possible I am reading things that are not there.

Not exactly unique, Cole Palmer has a contract to keep him at Chelsea until 2033?

 

[blueste41]

When you say you speak to them at what level?
Friendly? Work? Football banter?
You say they aren't seething.
They write absolute detrimental shite about us don't care one bit about the ripples it causes.

You know United, Liverpool, Arsenal, Newcastle etc. fans say exactly the same thing about their club? In fact a lot of them are convinced we are in the pockets of the media.
You can't all be right.

 

[hammocity]

I think that cool hand Khaldoon would absolutely call him a **** but not use that exact word. He'd find another more elegant way to call him a **** I reckon.

Ah fuck it. Just call him a ****.

A mate of mine was banned from Dukinfield Golf Club after he'd twatted another member who had called him a "fat ****" during a dispute on course. He was about 63 at the time but he's a big fella who carries a bit of weight but he's a good lad.

Anyway, he joined Ashton where I'm a member, when I see him I call him, as you say in an elegant way, a "rotund vagina"

 

[Stoned Rose]

A mate of mine was banned from Dukinfield Golf Club after he'd twatted another member who had called him a "fat ****" during a dispute on course. He was about 63 at the time but he's a big fella who carries a bit of weight but he's a good lad.

Anyway, he joined Ashton where I'm a member, when I see him I call him, as you say in an elegant way, a "rotund vagina"

Pics?

 

[Matt Diablo]

I'm doing my best not to get ahead of myself but so much of what City have been doing of late doesn't exactly come across as a club that thinks they're worried about the outcome of this case.

Because they won't be

 

[SilverFox2]

I thought CAS's criticism of us for withholding evidence was wrt us cooperating fully up to a point then stopping cooperation further due to UEFA leaks, citing we'd wait until CAS. and i thought that was why the fine was reduced from £30m to £10m. We admitted as much too. I thought we then shared relevant evidence with CAS. Could be wrong of course.

In the light of an apparently now fair legal PL Panel is it a possible argument that a PL biased Panel of the time (cf Leicester) , would simply dismiss any Appeal by City.
We had no faith in the PL and saw no way without CAS being available of receiving anything like a fair hearing or a fair Appeal.

Our reasoning would be different with today's Panel.

In other words why give a corrupt PL info of any kind that was obviously being used to fish for sensitive other detail and publish it via leaks to cartel members.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

This isn’t an arbitration

I thought it was subject to the Act under the PL rules? There must be some hearing rules, surely?

 

[thegoatsthegoat]

@slbsn

Sorry if you have answered this, do you know why there isn't a massive outrage at Uniteds 270m losses in a 3 year period which eclipses the accepted 105M? Why Talksport aren't dragging you in to cover it and why clubs like Everton aren't demanding answers? I understand they will get allowances (more than others which is another point I don't understand how there is zero media attention to or uproar) I can't see anywhere which confirms the allowances, the amounts and how they have escaped yet again punishment for huge losses. Uefa didn't accept them allowances previously did they, so will they be punishing United again if they don't accept the cowboy losses? Will everyone be offended and call them cheats for being repeat offenders. I just don't see a world where it is brushed under the carpet without explanation. Had City posted 270m worth of losses, we'd sure as hell know about it.

 

[slbsn]

Not exactly unique, Cole Palmer has a contract to keep him at Chelsea until 2033?

A fraction of the wages

 

[slbsn]

I thought it was subject to the Act under the PL rules? There must be some hearing rules, surely?

Rule X is expressly arbitration. Rule W (City's case) is not. All the rules construed with English law. So where Rule W proceeds sit is arguably unclear.

 

[gordondaviesmoustache]

Rule X is expressly arbitration. Rule W (City's case) is not. All the rules construed with English law. So where Rule W proceeds sit is arguably unclear.

Ok. Thanks.