President Trump

[tweety]

It also terribly confuses me that British people actually don’t mind these people being in our country.

I'm yet to meet anyone that is. The mass importation of labour started many years ago with the eastern Europeans and now with the dregs of the third world, it has suppressed everyone's wages especially the working class.

 

[jacko74]

Do you mind them? If so, why? Did the presence of Sergio, Ferna and the rest bother you?

What a silly point to try and make.

I doubt anyone objects to highly skilled migrants of any description, although there's a very strong argument to say we shouldn't be effectively stealing those skilled people from their home countries.

I'm not sure the same case applies to the necessity for unskilled, uneducated migrants who come here to, at best, work unskilled minimum wage jobs. Especially when such a huge proportion of the existing population of working age are unemployed or underemployed and choosing to work minimal part time hours in order to receive optimum "in work" benefits.

 

[Manchester_lalala]

I'm yet to meet anyone that is. The mass importation of labour started many years ago with the eastern Europeans and now with the dregs of the third world, it has suppressed everyone's wages especially the working class.

I’ve very much working class. But I know people, including mates who haven’t got an issue with people coming from third world countries into Britain. It baffles me and I’ll never get my head round it.

Fair enough, these people have probably lived a very tough life and our government(s) have contributed to that by getting involved with their own countries politics.

But we have to look after ourselves, that’s why I find myself agreeing with Trump. For the record, I think he’s an absolute bellend. I’ve actually got an American relative in California that is just like him and I think he’s a ****.

 

[hcblue95]

What a silly point to try and make.

I doubt anyone objects to highly skilled migrants of any description, although there's a very strong argument to say we shouldn't be effectively stealing those skilled people from their home countries.

I'm not sure the same case applies to the necessity for unskilled, uneducated migrants who come here to, at best, work unskilled minimum wage jobs. Especially when such a huge proportion of the existing population of working age are unemployed or underemployed and choosing to work minimal part time hours in order to receive optimum "in work" benefits.

You think a huge proportion of the existing population are choosing to work minimal hours to receive optimum benefits? What would you class as a huge proportion? I'd imagine it's a tiny proportion.

 

[tweety]

So you're acknowledging that the reason our corporate rulers have brainwashed the idiots in society into unthinkingly supporting mass immigration is because those corporate rulers want to import people to be little more than slaves, earning illegally low pay in the gig economy and grey economy and being housed in squalid, illegal HMO's.

All of which obviously drives down the value of labour, erodes employees T&C's and diminishes job security and increases the cost of accommodation, again more multiple wins and benefits for the greedy corporations and parasitic rentier classes.

Our corporate rulers and establishment elite really have done a cracking job of turning the left who supposedly despise them into actually being their very useful idiots acting on their behalf.

Double like

 

[tweety]

You think a huge proportion of the existing population are choosing to work minimal hours to receive optimum benefits? What would you class as a hug proportion? I'd imagine it's a tiny proportion.

Who can afford to rent, let alone buy a house on minimum wage? There are many millions of people in that situation who have to rely on a handout from the state just to have a roof over their heads. All so the multinational corporations can maintain their profits and offshore their taxes to Ireland.

 

[Blue Maverick]

I agree with Trump get rid of the illegals who are criminals, people with very violent criminal records, known members of gangs etc, however he has gone much further than this with this one glove fits all, also breaking the law in doing so as well, no paperwork etc. I don’t think anyone would complain if there were a bunch of violent Albanians rounded up here and turfed out.

 

[hcblue95]

Who can afford to rent, let alone buy a house on minimum wage? There are many millions of people in that situation who have to rely on a handout from the state just to have a roof over their heads. All so the multinational corporations can maintain their profits and offshore their taxes to Ireland.

I agree with much of your post, but I don't agree with the wording of the other post that lots of people are choosing to work less hours on low wages just to get some measly benefits.

 

[FogBlueInSanFran]

So you're acknowledging that the reason our corporate rulers have brainwashed the idiots in society into unthinkingly supporting mass immigration is because those corporate rulers want to import people to be little more than slaves, earning illegally low pay in the gig economy and grey economy and being housed in squalid, illegal HMO's.

All of which obviously drives down the value of labour, erodes employees T&C's and diminishes job security and increases the cost of accommodation, again more multiple wins and benefits for the greedy corporations and parasitic rentier classes.

Our corporate rulers and establishment elite really have done a cracking job of turning the left who supposedly despise them into actually being their very useful idiots acting on their behalf.

“Why aren’t you smart enough to run a multi-national corporation? Why didn’t you work harder? Bet you have some sob-story excuse — they all do. People who moan about not being able to afford things and bitch about the ruling class and corporate overlords are bitter because they got out-thought and out-worked by others. People who are scared of immigrants are scared because they’ll be out-worked and out-thought by them. They’re afraid of competition. They're embarrassed and filled with self-loathing at their own personal and professional failures despite being given every advantage by being lucky enough to have been born in a nation filled with opportunity and freedom. They’re stupid, lazy gimps.”

Sorry, just paraphrasing a counterargument I heard from a guy once. Not saying I ascribe to it. He was kind of a dickhead to be fair.

 

[The blue phantom]

Pretty daft question that, isn’t it?

Talented or skilled people should be welcomed.

What about folk from war torn countries?

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

Think the migrant worker illegal imigrant line is being blurred here.

Absolutely accept that.

 

[tweety]

I agree with much of your post, but I don't agree with the wording of the other post that lots of people are choosing to work less hours on low wages just to get some measly benefits.

I believe it's the reason why so many people work part-time so that they qualify for benefits.

 

[mancity2012_eamo]

So you're acknowledging that the reason our corporate rulers have brainwashed the idiots in society into unthinkingly supporting mass immigration is because those corporate rulers want to import people to be little more than slaves, earning illegally low pay in the gig economy and grey economy and being housed in squalid, illegal HMO's.

All of which obviously drives down the value of labour, erodes employees T&C's and diminishes job security and increases the cost of accommodation, again more multiple wins and benefits for the greedy corporations and parasitic rentier classes.

Our corporate rulers and establishment elite really have done a cracking job of turning the left who supposedly despise them into actually being their very useful idiots acting on their behalf.

I don’t particularly support it. Just see how you get on without it though. Have unions been crushed in America?
Have you got security of employment worth a damn? Etc etc.
it’s not all migrant workers fault.
Some are brainwashed into thinking it is.

 

[roubaixtuesday]

Didn't take him long to get Colombia to change it's mind did it?

It actually may be be the other way around; Trump changed his mind when Colombia refused to take inhumanely transported migrants. Columbia was already accepting returns pre Trump.

see for instance




Other interpretations may be available; trusting the Trump administration's spin may not be wise. Performative cruelty rather than concrete outcomes remains their modus operandii.

 

[Really_here]

Perhaps the pittance they are paid in their adopted or migrant countries is not an affordable wage in their own country.
Migrant labour usually emigrates out of a necessity of one sort or another.
Painting them all as the violent dregs is lazy at best, but usually has a far more sinister underlying agenda.

The only thing I object to is migrant's access to the benefits system and the pressure they put on our infastructure. It's blindingly obvious we can't afford to take such high numbers as we have been doing and I don't think it's racist to say so. They're also often exploited as a cheap source of labour to work in our so called 'gig' economy. I also remember Labour saying they'd stop zero hours contracts but haven't heard that they have yet?

 

[TinFoilHat]

We fall out with Trump spectacularly and that leaves an open goal for Farage & Reform, Starmer is a diplomat and is doing what’s best for the UK. I trust his stance with Trump over any other political leader here.

Sometimes you have to deal with the devil.

It wasn't a dig at Starmer saying pleasantries. All part of the act of diplomacy. You might think the person is a **** but you both want the best for your countries so act accordingly.

 

[tweety]

What about folk from war torn countries?

Personally I don't give a shit, the world's a big place find somewhere else, the UK has done more than it's fair share helping people. How many safe countries does an Afghan or Syrian travel through to reach the UK? Egypt has just told the Palestinians that they won't accept them, well done to them. I assume Starmer will welcome them with open arms.

 

[ballbag]

I agree with Trump get rid of the illegals who are criminals, people with very violent criminal records, known members of gangs etc, however he has gone much further than this with this one glove fits all, also breaking the law in doing so as well, no paperwork etc. I don’t think anyone would complain if there were a bunch of violent Albanians rounded up here and turfed out.

No they wouldn't, but they'd moan like fuck when they're the next group targeted.

 

[KS55]

What a silly point to try and make.

I doubt anyone objects to highly skilled migrants of any description, although there's a very strong argument to say we shouldn't be effectively stealing those skilled people from their home countries.

I'm not sure the same case applies to the necessity for unskilled, uneducated migrants who come here to, at best, work unskilled minimum wage jobs. Especially when such a huge proportion of the existing population of working age are unemployed or underemployed and choosing to work minimal part time hours in order to receive optimum "in work" benefits.

Not silly at all .The point was to elicit your response to the question of whether you objected to highly skilled immigrants especially when their presence was beneficial to you personally. I could have asked it that way, but it would have been extremely boring: a real example is always the best way to gather views. Here endeth the lesson!
Now then, the NHS has on numerous occasions promised Nigeria and others not to continue to import their doctors and nurses but they still do of course. We get the benefit, the exporting country pays for their training. So they object strongly.
The second part of your answer suggests that your objection is really economic. Should we force the feckless Brits to go to work by withholding benefits? I think we should and it is worth thinking about the effect that would have on immigration. I don’t know, would the low skilled stop coming here if such jobs were filled by Brits or would they continue to come and work in the black economy? The law of unexpected consequences looms.

 

[tweety]

Not silly at all .The point was to elicit your response to the question of whether you objected to highly skilled immigrants especially when their presence was beneficial to you personally. I could have asked it that way, but it would have been extremely boring: a real example is always the best way to gather views. Here endeth the lesson!
Now then, the NHS has on numerous occasions promised Nigeria and others not to continue to import their doctors and nurses but they still do of course. We get the benefit, the exporting country pays for their training. So they object strongly.
The second part of your answer suggests that your objection is really economic. Should we force the feckless Brits to go to work by withholding benefits? I think we should and it is worth thinking about the effect that would have on immigration. I don’t know, would the low skilled stop coming here if such jobs were filled by Brits or would they continue to come and work in the black economy? The law of unexpected consequences looms.

Should we ask Australia to stop poaching our bright young people such as doctors? The problem for the UK is that for every Nigerian doctor that comes here there are 10 deliveroo riders and 10 car washers.