Arsenal Thread | 2024/25

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mattcity5 said:
The more I think about it, the more I think it's a great decisions and good for the game.

It's studs up and above the ankle. The ball is nowhere in sight. They can argue it was tactical and an attempt at a trip and soft, but he's stretching, leg extended fully, so not really in control.

Do we want players doing tactical fouls anyway? They get yellows for a slight tug sometimes now.

This decision is not outlawing tactical fouls, but it's saying if you get it wrong, it can be red. If it makes players think twice and be a bit more careful, and possibly not do tactical fouls, then that's good for the game. We don't want to see shit fouls like this to break up an attack 70 yards from goal, it's crap.
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Well we are fucked when Rodri returns if this is the kind of thing you want flagged as a red. It happens most weekends, nobody is ever sent off for it. We will see if it gets rescinded although with the flack Oliver has had they may not overturn it to back him. You are in the minority of people that I have spoken to or heard since claiming it was a red. Every pundit believes it is a yellow, every ex player believes it s a yellow. I fear that maybe a hatred of Arsenal maybe clouding peoples normal better judgement. I can't think of anyone who has been sent off for something similar, which makes it seem a strange decision. We can agree to disagree though, clearly neither of us will change our mind.
 
thegoatsthegoat said:
I don't believe ankle height is high to be honest. A still image has made it look worse than it actually was, which was a clip. If we want reds for that then the game is very much dead
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Ankle height isn’t high.

But the challenge was well above the ankle, around the calf in fact. It was studs up, with the force of the challenge coming down on the player’s leg, hence the higher risk of injury. That’s why it’s a red.

If the challenge wasn’t studs up, and at ankle height, it wouldn’t have been a red. The tackle foul element is neither here nor there.
 
thegoatsthegoat said:
Well we are fucked when Rodri returns if this is the kind of thing you want flagged as a red. It happens most weekends, nobody is ever sent off for it. We will see if it gets rescinded although with the flack Oliver has had they may not overturn it to back him. You are in the minority of people that I have spoken to or heard since claiming it was a red. Every pundit believes it is a yellow, every ex player believes it s a yellow. I fear that maybe a hatred of Arsenal maybe clouding peoples normal better judgement. I can't think of anyone who has been sent off for something similar, which makes it seem a strange decision. We can agree to disagree though, clearly neither of us will change our mind.
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Fouls happen all weekends, Rodri will make some when he's back of course. I do think he's generally a bit more careful than this lad was, which is why they usually end up yellows.

I don't have a hatred of Arsenal (yet), though I do dislike them bending the rules whenever they can then complaining when they get pulled up for it. They need to quit basing their tactics around whatever they can get away with - sometimes it doesn't pan out that way.
 
thegoatsthegoat said:
Well we are fucked when Rodri returns if this is the kind of thing you want flagged as a red. It happens most weekends, nobody is ever sent off for it. We will see if it gets rescinded although with the flack Oliver has had they may not overturn it to back him. You are in the minority of people that I have spoken to or heard since claiming it was a red. Every pundit believes it is a yellow, every ex player believes it s a yellow. I fear that maybe a hatred of Arsenal maybe clouding peoples normal better judgement. I can't think of anyone who has been sent off for something similar, which makes it seem a strange decision. We can agree to disagree though, clearly neither of us will change our mind.
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Big difference between a shirt pull and studs on a player at full speed. Could’ve easily broken his ankle.
 
thegoatsthegoat said:
Well we are fucked when Rodri returns if this is the kind of thing you want flagged as a red. It happens most weekends, nobody is ever sent off for it. We will see if it gets rescinded although with the flack Oliver has had they may not overturn it to back him. You are in the minority of people that I have spoken to or heard since claiming it was a red. Every pundit believes it is a yellow, every ex player believes it s a yellow. I fear that maybe a hatred of Arsenal maybe clouding peoples normal better judgement. I can't think of anyone who has been sent off for something similar, which makes it seem a strange decision. We can agree to disagree though, clearly neither of us will change our mind.
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Not Rodri, Bernie makes tackles like that every week.
 
MeatnSpudsMCFC said:
Big difference between a shirt pull and studs on a player at full speed. Could’ve easily broken his ankle.
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What had more force, the Lewis-Skelly tackle or the Gomes tackle in the 2nd half half where he's gone over the ball when Timbers foot is planted on the ground, as 1 is only deemed yellow card worthy and i know what i think would likely be a sorer tackle?!
 
supercity88 said:
It's never a red card. But as it's Arsenal I'm willing to agree it's a stonewall sending off.
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My thoughts exactly.

Heard all the hullabaloo about it and watched MotD to see it. Saw the trip, thought "That can't be the red card, can it?". It was. It's a trip that's a bit miss-timed, nothing more for me. I don't think I would've been able to keep a straight face if I'd been one of the Wolves players nearby when the ref brought out the card.

But yeah, it's arsey innit, so my opinion now is that he blatantly raked his studs down the lads achilles (lucky to be alive/could've killed him/etc), horrible, horrible tackle. Definite red ;)
 
the-ecstacy-of-eight said:
My thoughts exactly.

Heard all the hullabaloo about it and watched MotD to see it. Saw the trip, thought "That can't be the red card, can it?". It was. It's a trip that's a bit miss-timed, nothing more for me. I don't think I would've been able to keep a straight face if I'd been one of the Wolves players nearby when the ref brought out the card.

But yeah, it's arsey innit, so my opinion now is that he blatantly raked his studs down the lads achilles (lucky to be alive/could've killed him/etc), horrible, horrible tackle. Definite red ;)
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Couldn't have been worse timing for us. The biggest thing in their fans heads is the agenda from the ref's/VAR. The football comes a distant second. A bit like their obsession with kicking the ball away and getting sent off, then calling out the opposition every time they did it, you can bet it's City v 12 ref's this weekend. They'll be appealing for everything and suggesting it warrants a red card, particularly after they played more than a half with 10 men against us in the reverse fixture.
 
supercity88 said:
Couldn't have been worse timing for us. The biggest thing in their fans heads is the agenda from the ref's/VAR. The football comes a distant second. A bit like their obsession with kicking the ball away and getting sent off, then calling out the opposition every time they did it, you can bet it's City v 12 ref's this weekend. They'll be appealing for everything and suggesting it warrants a red card, particularly after they played more than a half with 10 men against us in the reverse fixture.
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I live in hope that their overly pedantic reminding the ref of the rules bites them on the arse and he applies the letter of the law to their cheating bullshit tactics.

Yellow card for Raya on about 20mins for time wasting.
Yellow cards for simulation/moaning about not getting the foul when their attackers fall over in an attempt to get a positionally advantageous free kick.
Ref blowing for fouls at EVERY one of their corners before the ball even reaches the box for manhandling defenders.
Yellow card for LegoHead for his in-match tactical team talks.
Fouls given every time Saliba wrestles Haaland to the floor.

etc...etc...etc...

Yeah, I know, I'm delusional, but don't worry though as I'm on medication for it :)
 
ArtetaTechnicalArea said:
Did we play the ball in behind and scored? Oh no Calafiori hit it in from 25 yards on an angle.

If that's a decision you cant deal with, you wouldn't survive living with the shit levied upon us (Arsenal).

Another Micheal Oliver special. This kunt cant help himself. A generic cynical foul to stop a counter and he flashes a red card when the textbook decision is yellow.

Ive always said I would support Arteta is he called the players in off the field. The Pakistani cricket team did this at Lords in the early 2010's, they had enough with the umpires dreadful refereeing followed by an incorrect accusation of ball tampering. So the Pakistani captain said you know dickheads, were no longer playing, and he just marched off the pitch. Had Arteta called the Arsenal player in after the shit kunt Oliver issued the red card, I would have supported it, even if it meant a loss by forfeiture.
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Given the history of Pakistan cricket players holding them up as being the moral arbitrators of sport is quite a take given that two of them got locked up for match fixing at said Lords but you crack on or are you one of the fools who think that Oliver and Pigmol are paid off the books by us?
 
supercity88 said:
Couldn't have been worse timing for us. The biggest thing in their fans heads is the agenda from the ref's/VAR. The football comes a distant second. A bit like their obsession with kicking the ball away and getting sent off, then calling out the opposition every time they did it, you can bet it's City v 12 ref's this weekend. They'll be appealing for everything and suggesting it warrants a red card, particularly after they played more than a half with 10 men against us in the reverse fixture.
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I disagree, Captain Black and the players (and fans come to that) have been crying all season about one thing or another. In fact it's been the same for a few seasons now. The refs must be getting fed up of them and their whinging whilst gaming the system at every opportunity. And now the fans are threatening the refs, which is partly at Arteta's and his players door? They're playing the scouse card, always the victims.

Have they been cited for surrounding the ref and trying to influence him from the last game yet?
 
bridgeno1 said:
Yeah I'm not disagreeing City have had some going against them too. For me the issue is consistency, but more than that I think with certain refs like Oliver it's them wanting to make it about themselves- basically deliberately giving a controversial decision to gain attention.

A properly good ref should hardly be noticed. I genuinely think with some of these guys they resent the fame the players get and want in on that action by making it all about them and then standing behind a 'technicality'. I've found the standard of reffing when we've been in the CL to typically be much higher than the PL - I'd imagine likewise for yourselves.

I don't know who the ref will be when we play you next week at the Emirates but I suspect there's a risk that all we'll be talking about afterwards is the officials.
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If you lot think Oliver has it in for you, why was he so lenient with cheating Arsenal in the game at Etihad in September?

Your time-wasting antics should have resulted in yellow cards long before they did. Thre was a case for some of the players to receive a second, but none of them did.

It’s complete bollocks!
 
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