President Trump

KS55 said:
What do we NEED straws for?
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Paper straws are bad. You know paper straws are bad. I know paper straws are bad. Everyone knows paper straws are bad.

But when I said, "Paper straws are bad," nobody listened. They kept making paper straws and look what happened - fentanyl use is at an all time high!

THIS ENDS NOW!!! I'M BANNING PAPER STRAWS. FROM NOW ON WE WILL ONLY MAKE PLASTIC STRAWS. BEAUTIFUL PLASTIC STRAWS. PERFECT PLASTIC STRAWS.
 
SkyBlueFlux said:
Signing a load of bits of paper that will later be slapped down by every judge with a brain is not “getting on with it”. Neither is threatening to implement tariffs and then rowing back on pretty much all of them.
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So is he doing deeply concerning things that people should be very worried about or is he doing nothing? Because those seem contradictory.
 
west didsblue said:
If you get pissed off being called right wing or far right stop supporting the politics of far right politicians like Farage and Trump. Their “changing of the status quo” means upending democracy and replacing it with autocracy and in Trump’s case kleptocracy as well. Autocracy is a far right system of government so if you support it chances are you’re far right.

However it seems that just about half of the US electorate are ok with this so who am I to argue.
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You are right. I am pissed off with being called "right wing" and "far right" but I am equally, maybe even more, pissed off with the alternatives which we have been tried and tested and failed and had for decades now.

I want change, the country needs change from the Tory/Labour swing I definitely don't want more of the same - so do I vote for?
 
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Damocles said:
So is he doing deeply concerning things that people should be very worried about or is he doing nothing? Because those seem contradictory.
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He's attempting to do deeply concerning things that should worry people.

When the dust settles, in all probability, he'll have done nothing. Nothing contradictory about it.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
You are right. I am pissed off with being called "right wing" and "far right" but I am equally, maybe even more, pissed off with the alternatives which we have been tried and tested and had for decades now.

I want change, the country needs change from the Tory/Labour swing I definitely don't want more of the same - so do I vote for?
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You should vote for Reform. Let's see how your Trumpian wet dream plays out.

I reckon it'll be miles better for our country.
 
Damocles said:
So is he doing deeply concerning things that people should be very worried about or is he doing nothing? Because those seem contradictory.
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The things he is doing are catastrophically terrible which proves what a huge mistake Republican voters made, and how much more intelligent democrat voters are.
These things will all be stopped - rescinded or stuck in constitutional red tape, which proves how stupid Trump and anyone who voted for him is and why democrat voters were so much cleverer.
Meanwhile while we all get distracted and point at those things in outrage, Trump gets on with the real business of deregulation and enriching the rich.
 
SamTheGuru said:
What pisses me off is that you get called right wing or far right wing for having beliefs that change the Status Quo. Not saying any of the prior mentioned are correct or the right people, but the system needs to be changed.
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I promise you, you can seek to change the status quo without being called right wing.

Corbyn would have changed the status quo in a big way. Does anyone call him right wing'? I think not.

You get called right-wing when you seek to change the status quo by adopting a form of fascism, which is what the likes of Trump and Farage want. You can call it 'authoritarianism' if you prefer, but what it amounts to is an arbitrary rule that tramples on legal and political norms. And by the way, it does not change the status quo as the people with power will still be plutocratic criminals. It's just that they'll be completely unfettered.

We fought a civil war against arbitrary government as far back as the 17th century, and in England it has traditionally been seen as a Bad Thing. We have tended to prefer the rule of law. No one should ever be trusted with arbitrary power or be allowed to put themselves above the law.
 
Blue and true said:
You should vote for Reform. Let's see how your Trumpian wet dream plays out.

I reckon it'll be miles better for our country.
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Where on earth do you get that I have a "trumpian wet dream" from? If I believe that ALL politicians are a bunch of shisters, which I do. And that we have had a bunch of Politicians in this country who have for decades been on the take for themselves and I cannot trust any of them, why would I carry on voting for them?

“ If you keep doing the same things, you’ll end up getting the same results” -credited to Albert Einstein, or Henry Ford is a pretty simple, yet profound quote.

We need change, not more of the same. I genuinely don't believe Farage will deliver the change people want.

Vote for the same is stupid.

Vote something different makes you right wing.

Like I say what can we do?

You really do need to learn to read messages properly.... "trumpian wt dream" really does speak volumes.
 
BrianW said:
I promise you, you can seek to change the status quo without being called right wing.

Corbyn would have changed the status quo in a big way. Does anyone call him right wing'? I think not.

You get called right-wing when you seek to change the status quo by adopting a form of fascism, which is what the likes of Trump and Farage want. You can call it 'authoritarianism' if you prefer, but what it amounts to is an arbitrary rule that tramples on legal and political norms. And by the way, it does not change the status quo as the people with power will still be plutocratic criminals. It's just that they'll be completely unfettered.

We fought a civil war against arbitrary government as far back as the 17th century, and in England it has traditionally been seen as a Bad Thing. We have tended to prefer the rule of law. No one should ever be trusted with arbitrary power or be allowed to put themselves above the law.
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Accepting your theory above we are turning the argument into the good old Capitalism v Communism debate, because as much as Farage and Trump represent the former, brother Jeremy and co represent the latter (China North Korea?)

The older I get the more I would like my vote to count and so have PR - a big dream I know but what we have now does not work, it is counter productive and a total waste of money in that the amount of money wasted undoing what the previous government (regardless of your political beliefs) is eye watering.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
You are right. I am pissed off with being called "right wing" and "far right" but I am equally, maybe even more, pissed off with the alternatives which we have been tried and tested and failed and had for decades now.

I want change, the country needs change from the Tory/Labour swing I definitely don't want more of the same - so do I vote for?
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I can't for a moment pretend to know anything about politics in the UK. But across the pond, many are dissatisfied with both Democratic and Republican politicians - like you, they are unhappy with the status quo.

That said, voicing support for a radical right wing politician like Trump - a demagogue, grifter and abhorrent person who cares only about himself - a convicted felon, a racist, a nationalist, a con-man, a liar, a misogynist, a fascist, a scoundrel... well, if you support such - you're rightly labeled as a far-right fascist nationalist.

Personally, I'm a centrist - and I very much liked Biden's term in office. And in my opinion he was a great president.

I get that you may disagree - and would support some other candidate - but if you support Trump - then I'm going to go batshit crazy on you and for good reason. Trump is a fascist and wants supreme power - and he's actively trying to achieve this goal. If you support Trump - you are either OK with fascism, or are badly mistaken in what he stands for.
 
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BlueMoonAcrossThePond said:
I can't for a moment pretend to know anything about politics in the UK. But across the pond, many are dissatisfied with both Democratic and Republican politicians - like you, they are unhappy with the status quo.

That said, voicing support for a radical right wing politician like Trump - a demagogue, grifter and abhorrent person who cares only about himself - a convicted felon, a racist, a nationalist a con-man, a liar, a misogynist, a fascist, a scoundrel... well, if you support such - you're rightly labeled as a far-right fascist nationalist.

Personally, I'm a centrist - and I very much liked Biden's term in office. And in my opinion he was a great president.

I get that you may disagree - and would support some other candidate - but if you support Trump - then I'm going to go batshit crazy on you and for good reason. Trump is a fascist and wants supreme power - and he's actively trying to achieve this goal. If you support Trump - you are either OK with fascism, or badly mistaken in what he stands.
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Thanks, fortunately I don't have that choice to make and I do feel sorry for those that do but....

All I ask for is a Politician who when they take office do (or attempt to do) what they said they would rather than do something completely opposite, like raise Employesr NI when they said they wouldn't raise taxes, like remove Winter Cpld Weather Payments, when there was no mention of it whatsoever in their pledge - this Labour government so soon after coming into office are plummeting like a stone, regardless of what their core voters want to believe.

For example had they said in their manifesto "any pensioners paying the higher rate of tax would have the additional payments removed" I'msure it would have been more acceptable.... maybe even embraced by the public.

All I demand is that politicians do what they say they will do, which is where my respect for Trump begins and ends. Like it or not like him or not like his policies or not.... he does
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Accepting your theory above we are turning the argument into the good old Capitalism v Communism debate, because as much as Farage and Trump represent the former, brother Jeremy and co represent the latter (China North Korea?)

The older I get the more I would like my vote to count and so have PR - a big dream I know but what we have now does not work, it is counter productive and a total waste of money in that the amount of money wasted undoing what the previous government (regardless of your political beliefs) is eye watering.
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I want PR voting too. We probably ain't getting it though. You would then, by the way, be looking at endless coalitions. However, I also insist on the rule of law, with no one above it. And I would welcome an improved system of checks and balances, to make it impossible for anyone to exercise arbitrary power.

I think your capitalism v communism argument is simplistic. The likes of Trump and Farage support exploitative corporatism, not real capitalism as in Joe's cafe or Mary's market stall. Similarly, it's absurd to call Corbyn a communist. (Given that many in the Daily Mail comments section think Starmer is a communist (arf!) it shows how little people understand politics.) In European terms, Corbyn is a mildly left social democrat. He would be mainstream in most of the EU, albeit 'of the left.' There is nothing in his record to suggest he seeks the overthrow of bourgeois democracy or the establishment of a one-party workers' state.

The fundamental problem is that the West is in relative decline, that some factions are growing weary with what the see as the inefficiency of democracy, and so are looking to authoritarian rule as an alternative, hoping it will 'solve' the intractable problems overnight. This is - well, optimistic at best.
 
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