City launch legal action against the Premier League | Club & PL reach settlement | Proceedings dropped (p1147)

applecentral said:
Stefan,

I missed your talksport program. Is there a link so I can watch it again. Don’t let people get you down. There are lots of us here you hold you in high esteem and respect your intellect regarding legal matters. In fact on this blog there are several learned people who have great input into the debate.
I urge one and all to respect every posters opinions and to not attack people whose opinion may differ from yours. With the 115 charges result due in soon I for one will be looking for Stefans opinions and others who are far more knowledgeable than myself.
We are all together fighting the Cartel. I see signs it’s all going to end up in City’s favour and the Cartel clubs will be facing potential lawsuits and investigations. The Red Cartel will rule the day they took on The Behemoth that Man City has become.
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Cheers mate.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Lawful from 2021 after the November changes? Is that their position?

Edit: I had assumed they had written off 2021-2024 and were just concentrating on getting lawful rules post-November, as a PR win if nothing else "PL wins APT case with new rules".
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Who knows for sure without their pleadings but I don't believe they are writing off any APT before Nov 2024. Just because the old rules are unlawful doesn't mean the new rules cant consider historic information/deals.
 
danielwood5 said:
It could also be that any issues the PL have with us haven't actually broken any laws.
For example, if the Mancini contract is something they're looking at, in regards to the SFO or HMRC as long as everyone has paid the correct tax and the correct figures are in the correct books of all companies involved then why would they care?
The issue with the Premier League wouldn't be to do with had the correct tax been paid it would be more that they say those payments should be under City's accounts and we say they shouldn't, at that point it comes down to whether the links between Sheikh Mansour and the Abu Dhabi club that were paying Mancini can be classed as owner disguised payments or not which isn't a fraud issue, it's a boring as fuck accounting issue.
A lot of this nonsense could come down to dull accounting procedures, City argue that payment X should be listed in column A of spreadsheet 23.802 but the PL say that it should be in column B due to obscure accounting practice Gibbs V Johnson 1872 and this means City haven't produced full and accurate records of their accounts, City maintain that the precedent of Kafka v Davies 1911 overrules the Gibbs scenario and on and on and on.
Breaking the Premier League's own rules which have been written so badly and with so many glaring gaps doesn't necessarily mean it's a legal issue.
I think this is why there has been such misunderstanding and misrepresentation of the CAS findings (with a dash of cartel PR and muck slinging), there was no smoking gun, no juicy details of offshore accounts and secret deals, it was all just rather dry and boring interpretations of spreadsheets and multifaceted accounting practices, none of which sells newspapers or generates clicks from the hard of thinking.
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THANK YOU!

This is where I ended up after watching Prestwich Blue's podcast two years ago. And if what you surmise is actually the case, why are these tribunals being spoken about by the media & many on here as an existential threat to City's very existence?

Some of our fans are literally suffering mentally over the thought of City playing non-league football. We desperately need to return to a rational place, for ourselves & rival fans who only read the "City are CHEATS" headlines.

Charges - Accusations
Cases - Tribunals
Laws - Rules
Guilty - Found in Breach

On the left is the media narrative. On the right is the reality. However, many oppositions fans are actually hoping arrests & the closure of City follows, because of the hyperbolic language being used by the media.

My hope is that many of our long suffering fans begin to look at this through the only lens I think is an accurate reflection of where we actually are.

Thanks for breaking down your post in the way you have. Hopefully it'll bring comfort to our fanbase.
 
slbsn said:
Some thoughts on reflection about the PL's issue.
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Hang on a sec, I mentioned this to you a while a back saying the rules are still unlawful as historic loans aren't considered in the calculations but your answer was "full mitigation" would be given so the PL laws will be easily passed and be lawful with a few tweaks. Why the flip flopping and what's changed?
 
madloaf said:

"Man City in danger of destroying Premier League as we know it​

Club’s legal onslaught on financial rules could allow wealthiest clubs to spend without limits and kill off competition"

Or to call it its proper name: The Premier League from 1992 to 2009.
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Ahh the old “Destroying”, “onslaught” and any similar catastrophising description they can think of.

They are shitting themselves aren’t they?.
 
dickie davies said:
FFS!
In the post office scandal, it’s already been proven that perjury had taken place and that’s before the police launch a full investigation
Nothing has been proven in regards to City
How many times was “no evidence” quoted in the CAS summary?
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Were postmasters not jailed previous to these current police investigations? If so, who arrested them & on what evidence?

It's now acknowledged the whole mess was flawed & filled with lies & cover-ups, but this initially got past the police.

My point is this... Irrespective of what happens when the police conclude their investigations, WE KNOW they're holding investigations into the Post Office.

That's the simple question I'm asking in regard to City. Are they, or are they not holding investigations into City? And based on the seriousness of the allegations against us, if not, why not?

The media have never sought to discuss this crucial point (to my knowledge), which would put a whole different public slant on what I consider to be a contrived witch hunt against City.

People literally think City are no different to the common criminals in Strangeways.
 
madloaf said:

"Man City in danger of destroying Premier League as we know it​

Club’s legal onslaught on financial rules could allow wealthiest clubs to spend without limits and kill off competition"

Or to call it it's proper name: The Premier League from 1992 to 2009.
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Man city destroying PL since 2008
 
Dribble said:
Were postmasters not jailed previous to these current police investigations? If so, who arrested them & on what evidence?

It's now acknowledged the whole mess was flawed & filled with lies & cover-ups, but this initially got past the police.

My point is this... Irrespective of what happens when the police conclude their investigations, WE KNOW they're holding investigations into the Post Office.

That's the simple question I'm asking in regard to City. Are they, or are they not holding investigations into City? And based on the seriousness of the allegations against us, if not, why not?

The media have never sought to discuss this crucial point (to my knowledge), which would put a whole different public slant on what I consider to be a contrived witch hunt against City.

People literally think City are no different to the common criminals in Strangeways.
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The Post Office is unique in that it can investigate and criminally prosecute on its own. It doesn't require a Police investigation and CPS approval for prosecution
The Police will openly investigate the whole process of the Post Office's investigations and also its executives, investigators, witnesses and Fujitsu executives and witnesses
The Police had no involvement in the investigation and prosecution of SPM's

In regards to City, the Police/SFO will more than likely be keeping an eye on what's going on, but nothing has yet been proven
As I asked in my earlier post, how many times was "no evidence" quoted in the CAS conclusions?
Why would the Police open an investigation when no one actually knows if a crime has taken place and an independent body is looking at it anyway?
 
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