You could take this exact quote, substitute 'Brexit' for 'Trump' and 'it' for 'him' and it would apply just as well to the UK.
I don't know of anyone who voted for the Brexit we have, as opposed to Brexit. I believe a lot of people, in both cases, wanted 'change'. But they did not necessarily think through, or even envisage, what the change would look like. They assumed the change they voted for would benefit them, or, at worst, not disbenefit them. In retrospect, this looks naive at best.
That bloody bus with the NHS logo should have been the red flag, it wasnt hard to work out that career politicians jumped on a bandwagon of lies. Id substitute for naive for downright stupid, personally.You could take this exact quote, substitute 'Brexit' for 'Trump' and 'it' for 'him' and it would apply just as well to the UK.
I don't know of anyone who voted for the Brexit we have, as opposed to Brexit. I believe a lot of people, in both cases, wanted 'change'. But they did not necessarily think through, or even envisage, what the change would look like. They assumed the change they voted for would benefit them, or, at worst, not disbenefit them. In retrospect, this looks naive at best.
You have a point and there is a parallel with the USA. I voted for Brexit, the main reason was Cameron and Osbourne, two public school toffs, who made the Harry Enfield Tory Boy character look plausible, telling me that I should vote remain. I don’t regret it, but it hasn’t improved anything.You could take this exact quote, substitute 'Brexit' for 'Trump' and 'it' for 'him' and it would apply just as well to the UK.
I don't know of anyone who voted for the Brexit we have, as opposed to Brexit. I believe a lot of people, in both cases, wanted 'change'. But they did not necessarily think through, or even envisage, what the change would look like. They assumed the change they voted for would benefit them, or, at worst, not disbenefit them. In retrospect, this looks naive at best.
You didn’t think that Johnson and Farage made the Tory Boy character plausible?You have a point and there is a parallel with the USA. I voted for Brexit, the main reason was Cameron and Osbourne, two public school toffs, who made the Harry Enfield Tory Boy character look plausible, telling me that I should vote remain. I don’t regret it, but it hasn’t improved anything.
From observing America, it does seem to me that Biden and previously Clinton had that same patronising ‘we know what is best for you’ attitude, hence a lot of ordinary people just voted for the alternative. The most amazing aspect of it is that a country as powerful as the USA, across 3 consecutive elections, has had straight choices between Clinton, Trump, Biden and Harris. How can that be? Then again we had a choice between Starmer, Sunak and Farage, ah well.
Haha, it is a fair question. I’m a public sector worker. Cameron and Osbourne sent us all an email, lecturing on how we should vote. It really annoyed me, because the other side didn’t have the opportunity to tell several million people how to vote. In an election you rightly have purdah in the public sector, but seemingly not in a referendum.You didn’t think that Johnson and Farage made the Tory Boy character plausible?
What an utterly fucking depressing paragraph that is to read. You daft sod.You have a point and there is a parallel with the USA. I voted for Brexit, the main reason was Cameron and Osbourne, two public school toffs, who made the Harry Enfield Tory Boy character look plausible, telling me that I should vote remain. I don’t regret it, but it hasn’t improved anything.
THAT’S WHY I ASKED THE QUESTION I DID. Sorry for shouting but Jesus tap dancing Christ I don’t know how to make myself any clearer.
Here, let’s do this: I’ll write the post for you. I see two options:
1. I don’t want to answer your question.
2. The fears I have that lead to my beliefs (or ideas) are ____________. And you fill in the blank.
Ok, I guess that’s answer 1 then. Thanks.I suspect you're aware of this, but you have a tendency to assume the moral high ground and get annoyed when others refuse to acknowledge it.
Your question.
It's a when did you stop beating your wife question, that's why I didn't take it seriously. It's a question that presupposes a controversial premise (in this case that I'm motivated by fear) such that it cannot be directly answered without incriminating oneself or, at least, unintentionally conceding a point.
I could ask such a question of you and I know exactly what would happen, but then I'm not looking to provoke the response I want, whereas you clearly are. You're looking for validation and I'm not giving it to you and that's why you're getting so irritated.
If you feel uncomfortable with my presence here, to such an extent as to resort to loaded questions, you have at your disposal the block button, might I suggest you use it.
In retrospect you say. I would argue it was fucking obvious from the get go that Brexit was bad for the UK and bad for Europe. Anyone who couldn't see that didn't think at all.You could take this exact quote, substitute 'Brexit' for 'Trump' and 'it' for 'him' and it would apply just as well to the UK.
I don't know of anyone who voted for the Brexit we have, as opposed to Brexit. I believe a lot of people, in both cases, wanted 'change'. But they did not necessarily think through, or even envisage, what the change would look like. They assumed the change they voted for would benefit them, or, at worst, not disbenefit them. In retrospect, this looks naive at best.
Physician heal thyself.Ok, I guess that’s answer 1 then. Thanks.
Well apparentlyHonestly, which sycophantic asshats nominated this guy?
I'd like to think he's trolling him with that, unless he's being bribed to nominate him.Well apparently
Oleksandr Merezhko, a top MP from President Volodymyr Zelensky's party, has nominated U.S. President-elect Donald Trump for the 2025 Nobel Peace Prize
Obviously high on crack at the time, either that or it's the best Trolling in the history of the interwebs
Doesn't it just.Regardless as to what anyone thinks about Brexit, the benefits of the existence of the EU as a bloc to counter a US which actively supports fascism seems indisputable now.
When an illegal migrant with a criminal history was allowed to continue living in the country on the taxpayer dime even after his case had been adjudicated and deportation orders signed. But the administration chose to not enforce deportation orders. Did you ask if those who voted for that administration were ashamed?Has anyone seen the woman being dragged out of a meeting by some unknown security people while the deplorables cheer?
Or the proudboys guy confronting a newly laid off government employee?
Dax777 and the rest of the Trumpists should be ashamed if there's violence soon. But they probably won't because admitting they were wrong would be far worse than decent people being hurt.
So, anyway, back to Trump...
The guy has been nominated for a Nobel Peace Prize FOUR times. and is desperately fishing for another nomination for his 'sterling' work on Ukraine.
He's so angry that 'Barrack Hussain Obama' has one.
Honestly, which sycophantic asshats nominated this guy?
You and always hearing from your friends. Last time you heard from your friends who had decided in 2020 that they weren't doing this anymore and voted against Trump. Are those the same friends who are now regretting voting for Trump in 2024? Did they forget what they told you in 2020 and went back to Trump and now regret it? Or are these new friends who didn't listen to your other friends from 2020 who had figured it out?Oh they won’t say that. They’ll say “I voted for Trump but I didn’t vote for THIS”, whatever the “this” is. I’m already hearing this from not all but some of the Trump voting friends I have. But the problem with Trump isn’t his predictability — it’s his unpredictability. And only about a gazillion people said so beforehand. All were warned. So when you voted for him, you voted for uncertainty. And uncertainty include outcomes that fuck you and others royally vs. the boring — but predictable — status quo.
Its never meant anything. I mean Obama won it for Christ sake. Not even the most deranged Obama fanatic can pretend he is a pro-peace President.Hundreds of people/organisations get nominated every year - well over 300 in 2018, it means nothing at all at this stage.
Trump's sycophants have nominated him 5-6 times, because they know how much he wants it.
Damn fam, how you gonna do my boy Obama like that? You just erased the Obama's and Bushes from electoral history :)You have a point and there is a parallel with the USA. I voted for Brexit, the main reason was Cameron and Osbourne, two public school toffs, who made the Harry Enfield Tory Boy character look plausible, telling me that I should vote remain. I don’t regret it, but it hasn’t improved anything.
From observing America, it does seem to me that Biden and previously Clinton had that same patronising ‘we know what is best for you’ attitude, hence a lot of ordinary people just voted for the alternative. The most amazing aspect of it is that a country as powerful as the USA, across 3 consecutive elections, has had straight choices between Clinton, Trump, Biden and Harris. How can that be? Then again we had a choice between Starmer, Sunak and Farage, ah
There is no comparison.When an illegal migrant with a criminal history was allowed to continue living in the country on the taxpayer dime even after his case had been adjudicated and deportation orders signed. But the administration chose to not enforce deportation orders. Did you ask if those who voted for that administration were ashamed?
When one of such criminally convicted and deportation ordered was allowed to continue staying until he decided to rape and kill a victim. Were you ashamed then? Or did you wonder if those who voted in an administration that refused to evict those who the courts had ordered deported, were ashamed?
I bet you didn't. Same old one rule for them but different rule for us nonsense.
Miss me with this nonsense.