Russian invasion of Ukraine

gordondaviesmoustache said:
I didn’t say he would come for us; my question was framed much wider than that. Let’s just say Russia takes Ukraine, a country of 40 million people - what do you think the impact would be in terms of millions of refugees upon the rest of Europe, including the UK? And what do you think the associated economic impact of that would be?

What impact do you think that would have on military stability in Europe? Do you think it would be greatly enhanced?

What do you think the impact of the above would have on public services in the UK, given what we would need to spend on the military if such an invasion succeeded? Would you be okay with spending on the NHS being reduced to respond to that?

The last part of your post seems to suggest that you think we can operate in isolation, but that simply isn’t possible in the world we inhabit today, brought into even sharper relief the point you made earlier in your post about us not being the
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gordondaviesmoustache said:
I didn’t say he would come for us; my question was framed much wider than that. Let’s just say Russia takes Ukraine, a country of 40 million people - what do you think the impact would be in terms of millions of refugees upon the rest of Europe, including the UK? And what do you think the associated economic impact of that would be?

What impact do you think that would have on military stability in Europe? Do you think it would be greatly enhanced?

What do you think the impact of the above would have on public services in the UK, given what we would need to spend on the military if such an invasion succeeded? Would you be okay with spending on the NHS being reduced to respond to that?

The last part of your post seems to suggest that you think we can operate in isolation, but that simply isn’t possible in the world we inhabit today, brought into even sharper relief the point you made earlier in your post about us not being the big catch we once were, which is unquestionably correct.
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Huge impacts all round on this country. If we don’t get involved we can act in isolation, we’re a minnow now. That’s my position now, stay out it’s the EU’s problem. They did nothing in 2014 when Putin walked into the Crimea.
 
There is a lot of obfuscation with regard to our nuclear arsenal and I think it is intentionally done by our government.
The facts imply we are everything but independent.
 
Too long to post so will just drop link, tomorrow's meeting could be one of the most important Europe has had in 80 years.
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Jimmieblue said:
The consequences are too bad, we don’t need to align ourselves with anyone, why can’t we be like Sweden, Norway, Switzerland etc, why are we so eager to go head first into conflicts.
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What do you think happens if we roll over here and isolate ourselves from Europe? We can't exist in a void of our own.
What happens when the Russians, Americans and Chinese go around increasing their spheres of influence? Who are we going to align with? The Americans will threaten us with tarrifs unless we take their shit processed food, we hand over the NHS to them, the force us to get rid of our health and safety laws and all your employment securities. They will erode all the things you think you are protecting, by doing nothing.

We need to stand up strong with Europe and the Ukraine.
 
Jimmieblue said:
The consequences are too bad, we don’t need to align ourselves with anyone, why can’t we be like Sweden, Norway, Switzerland etc, why are we so eager to go head first into conflicts.
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1939 neutral Norway asked if you could do a bit of Google and revise your opinion in 1940. Sweden are pleading the fifth on their 1939 neutrality announcement.
 
SWP's back said:
I wouldn’t want you anywhere near any position of making decisions, that’s for sure
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Nightmare Walking said:
What do you think happens if we roll over here and isolate ourselves from Europe? We can't exist in a void of our own.
What happens when the Russians, Americans and Chinese go around increasing their spheres of influence? Who are we going to align with? The Americans will threaten us with tarrifs unless we take their shit processed food, we hand over the NHS to them, the force us to get rid of our health and safety laws and all your employment securities. They will erode all the things you think you are protecting, by doing nothing.

We need to stand up strong with Europe and the Ukraine.
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In the last war, the French backed off, Germany have had enough of wars, the Spanish might join the Russians … stand strong!
 
Is there a risk of the US recalling their patriot systems? That would be just cruel but if one guy is able to do such a miserable thing then for sure it's Trump
 
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