Russian invasion of Ukraine

[Metal Biker]

And, after consolidating in “the rest of Europe,” Hitler would have just stopped? Like Putin?

And, I might be spouting, but as a Brit whose grandparents fought in WWI & WWII (infantry in WWI, Navy & Air Force Lancasters in WWII) and whose father served in the Air Force, and has a relative who served at Bletchley Park, they didn’t seem to share your disdain.

Indeed, the gentleman who served at Bletchley Park told me specifically that if I ever ran into a U.S. serviceman who fought in Europe in WWII, to thank him for “not having to speak German for the rest of his life.”

As JD Vance might say, “A simple ‘Thank You’ would be nice!”
(That’s a joke. I hate Vance!)

Well it was widely estimated by the German commanders at the time that a full invasion of Britain would be costly and full of logistical issues, namely the supply situation. The Royal Navy was still a power on the seas, especially compared to the Kriegsmarine, something even Hitler himself considered inferior to the firepower of the Royal Navy. Plus, the terrain of Britain was not best suited for their Panzer Divisions. Capturing London would have done nothing as the British Government and Royal Family would just have moved up North.

So you'd have a smaller invasive force, beset by supply issues across the Channel, facing a homegrown force capable of making their own weapons and supplies up north, a reinvigorated Royal Air Force, the Royal Navy arriving from all corners of the Empire, terrain problematic for tanks, and a population similar in size to Germany's ready to fight. They were not confident at all.

Hitler simply didn't want the British Empire to be a headache for him as his main focus was Russia. He just felt that after they lost the Battle of Britain, the Luftwaffe had done enough to subjugate the Brits into not fighting anymore. He was wrong. Also, regarding the Royal Navy, the Americans might want to thank THEM for their assistance to the US Navy in the Pacific, especially the use of British ports. It was a combined effort from many nations, not one singular contributor as to how Nazism was defeated.

 

[robbieh]

Russia killed more Russians than Germany.
Thanks to uncle Joe

That was research done before the soviet union collapsed and was exaggerated by the west for obvious reasons but seems to have stuck in the public consciousness.

Research using files discovered after 1992 suggest a figure of 3.3 million of which only a million were deliberate. Others died of neglect in prison camps etc. It's worth mentioning that 75% of German casualties were killed by Russians.
Imagine Hitler may have felt he bit off more than he could chew, like Napoleon before him.

 

[Blue Mist]

Not saying that at all, it’s a whole lot of other things. My two aunts whose 18 year old boyfriends were killed in WW1, who never married and spent their lives as spinsters, all the other young men who’ve sloped off to war at other people’s bidding to come back ruined. War is terrible I don’t believe we are in danger.

Jimmie ,do you remember Alexander Litvinenko? Murdered in London by Russian secret police in the most horrible way.
What about the Skripals and the Salisbury poisoining which led to the death of a poor innocent women.
I would go even further back if I could remember the Russian who was murdered using the poisoned tip of an umbrella.
War is terrible but the consequences of being to frightened to confront a murderous regime are far worse.
Russia will not stop with Ukraine and will continue to murder anybody he wants unless he is stopped

 

[robbieh]

Jammiest,do you remember Alexander Litvinenko? Murdered in London by Russian secret police in the most horrible way.
What about the Skripals and the Salisbury poisoining which led to the death of a poor innocent women.
I would go even further back if I could remember the Russian who was murdered using the poisoned tip of an umbrella.
War is terrible but the consequences of being to frightened to confron a murderous regime are far worse.
Russia will not stop with Ukraine and will continue to murder anybody he wants unless he is stopped

Georgi Markov

 

[BTH]

And the Hungarians and Poles know what happens next

Except Viktor Orbán. He would welcome Putin in with open arms.

 

[BlueRockape]

Except Viktor Orbán. He would welcome Putin in with open arms.

Probably
But the people wouldn't

 

[Jimmieblue]

Jammiest,do you remember Alexander Litvinenko? Murdered in London by Russian secret police in the most horrible way.
What about the Skripals and the Salisbury poisoining which led to the death of a poor innocent women.
I would go even further back if I could remember the Russian who was murdered using the poisoned tip of an umbrella.
War is terrible but the consequences of being to frightened to confron a murderous regime are far worse.
Russia will not stop with Ukraine and will continue to murder anybody he wants unless he is stopped

I do, I remember all them, Putin is a tyrant I know. The prospects of our young men having to face up to a war really upsets me. It’s never the men who start it, it’s never their loved ones. I was born 1944, the nuclear bomb had to be dropped to stop WW2, it’s the aftermath and the consequences of war I fear.

 

[Blue Maverick]

I literally couldn’t give a fuck who was in your family as it makes absolutely no difference to the fact that you’re wrong about “England would be speaking German” if America hadn’t saved the day.

Tbh the Americans woukd be goose stepping as well because the scientist who helped make the bomb a lot were from Germany who wouldn’t have got out to help American had we fallen, they would’ve bided their time and no doubt a V3 woukd be hit Washington or NY and the USA would’ve been fucked as well.

 

[BTH]

Probably
But the people wouldn't

I don't think 'probably' comes into it given how much Orbán admires Putin.

 

[Jimmieblue]

Sanctions from Russia so why is it a loan

I don’t know, I think the EU have the money collected from the sanctions, but that has been reported.

 

[mosssideblue]

I do, I remember all them, Putin is a tyrant I know. The prospects of our young men having to face up to a war really upsets me. It’s never the men who start it, it’s never their loved ones. I was born 1944, the nuclear bomb had to be dropped to stop WW2, it’s the aftermath and the consequences of war I fear.

Nobody wants war, but with a Putin and Trump, alternatives are somewhat difficult, so we can either stand up to it now, or later when many more lives will be lost

 

[mosssideblue]

I don’t know, I think the EU have the money collected from the sanctions, but that has been reported.

Isn’t it because there is no legal claim on that money, only the interest earned on it?

 

[robbieh]

Philip Roth wrote a fictional account of Charles Lindbergh, a famous American aviator defeating Roosevelt in the mid 30s and becoming an appeaser of Hitler.

 

[Jimmieblue]

I think you’re all talking to a bot. As I said, nobody is this naive.

Saying that, this one was a Johnson acolyte, so …

Isn’t it because there is no legal claim on that money, only the interest earned

Isn’t it because there is no legal claim on that money, only the interest earned on it?

Could be, don’t know.

 

[BTH]

Could be, don’t know.

Putin has already threatened legal action if any of this money is spent; I think the interest is a different matter but it is an abstract argument.

Seems a bit ironic coming from a murderous war criminal but, like all bullies, he cries like a baby when things don't go his way. Trump's no different either.

 

[Blue and true]

Philip Roth wrote a fictional account of Charles Lindbergh, a famous American aviator defeating Roosevelt in the mid 30s and becoming an appeaser of Hitler.

The Plot Against America. One of my favourite books. One of my favourite authors, actually.

American Pastoral is probably the most beautiful novel ever written.

 

[Kirkstall Blue]

Live feed on Sky news Donald Tusk is limping his way in to the meeting.

 

[fulabeer]

Some of these comments amaze me.

You have the two most dishonest men on the planet collaborating, and some here think you can trust/negotiate with them.
The ONLY language they understand is strength.
All the allies (and that excludes the US at the moment) just need to stick together and come up with a plan.
Russia is depleted at the moment and not the normal threat. (nukes aside)
If we give them time to rebuild (with US ceasefire/assistance), they will be a bigger threat going forwards.

When/if the US sorts out it's current infestation, they can rejoin us.

 

[Jimmieblue]

Putin has already threatened legal action if any of this money is spent; I think the interest is a different matter but it is an abstract argument.

Seems a bit ironic coming from a murderous war criminal but, like all bullies, he cries like a baby when things don't go his way. Trump's no different either.

Maybe they are calling it a loan until such time as legal measures are put in place to raid the money that has been confiscated.

 

[grunge]

No I don’t remember any of that. I have seen no proof of that. I know Putin is not trustworthy. Let’s face it though, who is in the political sphere.

Claimed evidence. Threatened nuclear war. No evidence shown.

Russian ambassador has 'evidence' UK special forces involved in attack on Black Sea fleet

"The nuclear war cannot be won and it should never be fought. And we stick strongly to this statement," Moscow's ambassador to the UK, Andrei Kelin, told Sky News.

news.sky.com

Russia state media saying they should have bombed London during the funeral and that the UK is the root of all Evil.

Russian state TV presenter says Moscow should have bombed UK during Queen's funeral

A presenter on Russian state television said the country should have directed a nuclear strike at the UK during the Queen's state funeral.

uk.news.yahoo.com