Russian invasion of Ukraine

So your idea for negotiation is to Ukraine to make concession after concession, but let Russia carry on as normal because it's too hard.

It echoes the Trump/MAGA approach 100% but it isn't negotiation.
Unfortunately, as I see it, and it isn’t everyone’s solution, particularly on this forum, is see what Trump comes up with. Macron also talks to Putin, see what they can get out of him. A ceasefire would be a start.
 
Unfortunately, as I see it, and it isn’t everyone’s solution, particularly on this forum, is see what Trump comes up with. Macron also talks to Putin, see what they can get out of him. A ceasefire would be a start.
If you want to know what Trump comes up with, just look at what Putin wants and put an American flag on the letterhead.

Every step of the way, Trump has taken the Russian side over Ukraine. If Trump is involved, Ukraine is getting shafted.
 
He doesn’t seem to want peace. That’s the impression I get. It’s all a mess, let’s see what happens might all be different in a week.
The impression I get is that the thing that drives his decision making more than anything else is the fact he doesn’t trust Putin, for which he is completely justified imo.

When you view his actions through that prism it might change your perspective.
 
He doesn’t seem to want peace. That’s the impression I get. It’s all a mess, let’s see what happens might all be different in a week.

So he's openly saying he wants peace, has said he will leave office now if Ukraine is granted NATO membership. all he wants some guarantee's that Ukraine will get support if Russia starts up again. whats the issue with that?
 
He doesn’t seem to want peace. That’s the impression I get. It’s all a mess, let’s see what happens might all be different in a week.
Lets see...

In 2014 a popular uprising in Ukraine saw the ouster of their governor - a Moscow plant entirely loyal to Putin. And as a result, Russia invaded and annexed Crimea. With nary a consequence.

Emboldened, Russia re-invaded Ukraine in 2022.

Given the above - what the fuck do you think that Zelensky wants? Fucking hell.
 
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He doesn’t seem to want peace. That’s the impression I get. It’s all a mess, let’s see what happens might all be different in a week.

Other than MAGA propaganda, which is being pushed out a lot at the moment, I've seen no evidence to suggest that Zelensky doesn't want peace more than anything.
 
Yeah well that won’t happen! They are Communists, different ideology. He’s a dictator, they’ve been the same since I was born.
Well for a start you’re 35 years out of date and they’re not communists. He’s an authoritarian dictator, but not a communist one. Russia is to the right of Thatcher.
 

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