The Farmers Protests in London

Johnny Mars Bar said:
This is “one of those” threads where people just talk to themselves isn’t it. Like all the politics and brexit type threads.

So here’s my balanced but only vaguely informed view on this topic:

I spend a lot of time in our countryside and I want British farming to succeed. It depresses me that we import so much stuff that we shouldn’t.

Yes farmers should be inheritance tax just like everyone else who owns a lot of assets. HOWEVER it is also true that not all farmers are multi millionaires just because they own land that is on paper valuable - it is a business, and farmers incur astronomical costs. It isn’t equivalent to someone owning a massive house with acres and acres of land, and it shouldn’t be treated as such.

The country is skint and the government have to try and raise money somehow.

The real enemy to British farming is the massive supermarkets - constantly jacking up prices to the public while offering farmers a pittance for their produce. Tesco made THREE BILLION POUNDS PROFIT last year, ripping off both suppliers and customers. That isn’t right.

Everyone has a right to protest. I haven’t read anything about blocking in ambulances but an ambulance would know in advance whether a road was closed, and the big tractor protests would have to clear their routes with the police ahead of time.

The image posted above is definitely a fake though.

Making this a party political argument is missing the point - British farming needs supporting AND the government need to raise some cash. Both things are true.

Fuck Tescos, shop local.

Over and out.
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Bang on with the supermarkets angle.
 
Citi-leaks said:
Tesco aren't jacking up the prices, they are reducing them to keep up with the German discounters that came in a drove all the prices down. This is what actually screwed all the farmers in the UK

If Tesco have to match the price of milk at Aldi and Lidl, then they have to buy it for the same price as Aldi and Lidl, as well as paying their 300,000 employee's.

People rejoice in the low cost shopping options of the German retailers, but in reality their model is only sustainable by having unscrupulous methods of practice. Which includes shafting their suppliers and staff.

If British retailers ignored this threat, they would go out of business pretty quick. In the last 10 years we have seen the start of this race to the bottom in our supermarkets. Where we used to have fish counters, bakers, butchers and deli counters. This is all being ripped out and replaced with imitation Aldi shite. In the next decade, supermarkets will only provide a very basic selection of produce, stacked in cardboard boxes on the floor with no staff and automated tills.

Take these discounters out of the equation, and you would see a much more level playing field across the entire industry, especially farming.
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Not sure how lidl shaft their employees?
 
The Gammons are still fixated with a alleged photo shopped picture but are still silent on the Ambulances getting blocked before Xmas by the Tractors.

They are certainly a weird bunch.
 
Slipper One said:
..........but they probably put in twice the hours for less money than you.
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If they’re on less money than me then inheritance tax won’t be something they need to worry about.
Mind you, if I had to worry about it I wouldn’t be dead, obviously, and my estate would pay a lot more percentage than the farmers and it would kick in on a much lower amount, the selfish fuckers…
 
bluethrunthru said:
THEY don't want to pay taxes but are happy for YOUR taxes to pay for this

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Farmers pay taxes just the same as anybody else in the land. What the objection to, is not the paying of taxes, but the impact of paying this particular tax.

If you're happy to see these huge corporations totally control farming, then by all means prattle on like you are. If you think that all farmers are rich, toffee-nosed elitists, then you need to get out more and leave your jealousy and ignorance behind.

Understand that these corporations that will accumulate these farms have only two interests......maximizing profits and looking after their shareholders.

The countryside, the husbandry and the quality of your food will be well down their list of priorities. There will be no going back.

When they sell their farms, they'll probably be quite comfortably off and certainly work helluva lot less, but they don't want that. All they want to do is work THEIR land and be able to pass that onto their family to continue the lifestyle.
 
Slipper One said:
Farmers pay taxes just the same as anybody else in the land. What the objection to, is not the paying of taxes, but the impact of paying this particular tax.

If you're happy to see these huge corporations totally control farming, then by all means prattle on like you are. If you think that all farmers are rich, toffee-nosed elitists, then you need to get out more and leave your jealousy and ignorance behind.

Understand that these corporations that will accumulate these farms have only two interests......maximizing profits and looking after their shareholders.

The countryside, the husbandry and the quality of your food will be well down their list of priorities. There will be no going back.

When they sell their farms, they'll probably be quite comfortably off and certainly work helluva lot less, but they don't want that. All they want to do is work THEIR land and be able to pass that onto their family to continue the lifestyle.
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Miners wanted the same - they wanted to retain their way of life they wanted sons going down the pit (not for me I must say) but they also knew the impact on their way of life would have on pit villages and Miners Welfare Clubs etc - I very much doubt any farmers gave a toss of them though given the lack of protests in Whitehall - the world moves on and sectors of society are affected. Did anyone organise mass protests when banks embarked on a massive branch closure process leaving places as banking deserts? No. Where were the mass protests against the closure of public libraries and leisure facilities? There were none. The vast majority families of farmers will be able to pay no IHT or can survive by paying a 50% rate over 10 years. That latter option was not offered to bank workers to miners to health centre workers examples of all of which I have known or am related to so I have zero sympathy for someone being offered a way out and complaining its not gold plated.
 
Slipper One said:
Farmers pay taxes just the same as anybody else in the land. What the objection to, is not the paying of taxes, but the impact of paying this particular tax.

If you're happy to see these huge corporations totally control farming, then by all means prattle on like you are. If you think that all farmers are rich, toffee-nosed elitists, then you need to get out more and leave your jealousy and ignorance behind.

Understand that these corporations that will accumulate these farms have only two interests......maximizing profits and looking after their shareholders.

The countryside, the husbandry and the quality of your food will be well down their list of priorities. There will be no going back.

When they sell their farms, they'll probably be quite comfortably off and certainly work helluva lot less, but they don't want that. All they want to do is work THEIR land and be able to pass that onto their family to continue the lifestyle.
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Farmers very rarely make a profit on their business because they ensure everything goes back into the farm. New machinery, new Range Rovers, new Barber jackets.

Farmers have taken the piss. Many who decided they wanted Brexit, probably thinking that they could tap up the UK when they lost the EU grants, got a serious shock when the government they supported, turned their back on them and told them to fuck off.

I was always supportive of our farmers, even though they’d always shoo me off their land when I was a kid, but their attitude to a fair system fucking stinks.

My small estate would be subject to IHT if I wasn’t already planning ahead, why can’t farmers do the same?

This ain’t about farmers, this about the rich landowners using smaller farmers to fight their corner. And if they are willing, which we see they are, then they should be treated exactly the same as the rest of us.
 
Slipper One said:
Ignorance is bliss.
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Mate I live on the Nth Yks Moors - surrounded by farmers - when you meet them in the shop or the pub you learn the truth. At the weekend I saw a guy who I know is a sheep farmer buying frozen NZ lamb - I said hello why are you doing that when there it a butchers in the High Street and his response was its cheap.
 
bluethrunthru said:
Mate I live on the Nth Yks Moors - surrounded by farmers - when you meet them in the shop or the pub you learn the truth. At the weekend I saw a guy who I know is a sheep farmer buying frozen NZ lamb - I said hello why are you doing that when there it a butchers in the High Street and his response was its cheap.
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Perhaps if he'd followed your noble advice, it wouldn't be an issue for him.


"...well just sell up pay the tax and retire to the sun on the massive proceeds".


But I guess that he prefers to continue to work his land and supply the food industry with a quality product.
 
Slipper One said:
Perhaps if he'd followed your noble advice, it wouldn't be an issue for him.


"...well just sell up pay the tax and retire to the sun on the massive proceeds".


But I guess that he prefers to continue to work his land and supply the food industry with a quality product.
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which he himself doesn't buy on cost grounds
 
Slipper One said:
..........but they probably put in twice the hours for less money than you.
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M daughter works minimum wage in a SEND school loking after other peoples severel ill kids. Her mum died and left her a few quid. she now has to spend 35k on IHT.
Should she piss and moan and demand she gives half of what everbodee else does?
 
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