Middle East Conflict | Netanyahu orders strikes on Gaza (p1161)

Think both sides. And don’t base thinking on assumptions, base thinking on facts.

Understand how Zionists are hellbent to colonize Palestine since 1890s in the many archived newspapers declaring Palestine colonization.

If based on colonization, your belief is that colonization is based on land purchase, I now provide you more information. Between 1890 and up to 1947, foreign Jews and Zionists purchased 6.6% of Palestinian land. That is their legal ownership rights no question. From the 6.6% Palestinian purchased land, 52.6% of those 6.6% were land Zionists purchased from local Palestinian Jews, and 24.6% of the 6.6% were land Zionists purchased from local Palestinian Arabs. Simply, Zionists bought approx. 3.3% of 100% Palestine from Palestine Jews, and 1.5% of 100% from Palestine Arabs. Legal ownership. The fact that land ownerships do exist and understood by Zionists, Palestinians (Arabs and Jews and others), and British ( based on Ottoman land ownership of Palestinians) determine that during that time of British Mandate of Palestine, Palestine land is owned by Palestinians and there are Palestine land gazette records based on Ottoman governance.

1947 is when legal ownership became forgotten. Yes 6.6% are owned by Zionists, but the remaining 59% of Palestine given to the State of Israel (66.4%) are owned by Palestinians.

1948 was when Palestinians were forcefully displaced and massacres were conducted.

That is the beginning of the provocation.

Over the years the 59% (in the 66.4%) of Palestinian owned grew to 78% of Palestine land by method of war colonization. And beyond the 78% (which is the additional 8% thus 86%) is by method of occupation. Hence why Palestinians now only have the Gaza Strip, and the patches of culdesacs in West Bank.

Since you use think, here I give you an analogy. If a bullying gang decide and made to take ownership of your house and land, which you legally own (or pay rent to own), and evict you out; and then after no law defends your rights and no appeals and begs you conduct work, your last resort is to violence — can the gang claim to the law that your violence on the gang is unprovoked? Imagine how you feel that the law is against you, the gang is against you, others don’t bother, and you lost all avenues other than being homeless.

There’s a reason why militias exist. Like Home security for the house you were stolen. Firstly, They don’t want 86% become 100%; Palestine erase from the map. If the first is secured then Secondly, they want the 86% revert back to 66%; Palestine revert back to the Oslo accords. If the second is secured then Thirdly, they want a 50%/50% rights; a two-state solution as how the Palestinians agreed, albeit reluctantly, before the Israel independence, which was a clause agreed in 1941 between Zionists and Palestinians, but ultimately omitted out of the clause behind the backs of Palestinian representatives of the future State of Israel, and then publicly declared in 1948.
A very good piece sir.
You can take British involvement to pre the Balfour Declaration of 1917. You can analyse why it was made, but I’m reluctant to get drawn down that line.
Suffice to say, being Irish, we see the history of Palestine perhaps differently to the British in general, and perhaps see an inevitability of the cobbled plan failing.

I will put this here however.
The infamous Black and Tans were deployed in Palestine after the Irish war of independence, having honed their skills and practiced their dark arts here first.
They brought that to the Middle East protecting the first Jewish settlers and keeping the resident Arab people in their place.
Balfour saw the value in having a loyal Jewish population placed there (rather than have them in Britain, god forbid) having an Ulster like foothold in the region.

You don’t have to agree with that analysis, but this didn’t start on the 7th of October and I find the whole debate disingenuous to suggest that’s where you start from. You’ll never get anywhere with that approach.
That’s not to say I know how this will be resolved, but 7/10 ground zero is a pretence of objectivity.
 
A very good piece sir.
You can take British involvement to pre the Balfour Declaration of 1917. You can analyse why it was made, but I’m reluctant to get drawn down that line.
Suffice to say, being Irish, we see the history of Palestine perhaps differently to the British in general, and perhaps see an inevitability of the cobbled plan failing.

I will put this here however.
The infamous Black and Tans were deployed in Palestine after the Irish war of independence, having honed their skills and practiced their dark arts here first.
They brought that to the Middle East protecting the first Jewish settlers and keeping the resident Arab people in their place.
Balfour saw the value in having a loyal Jewish population placed there (rather than have them in Britain, god forbid) having an Ulster like foothold in the region.

You don’t have to agree with that analysis, but this didn’t start on the 7th of October and I find the whole debate disingenuous to suggest that’s where you start from. You’ll never get anywhere with that approach.
That’s not to say I know how this will be resolved, but 7/10 ground zero is a pretence of objectivity.
Nice piece too. Thank you.

I don't mean to offend or appear disingenuous by referring to 7/10 but.....

This is never going to be resolved by trying to right all the wrongs that have taken place down through history and if it was to eventually be resolved by going back in time it would be a very long drawn out solution.

My major concern is for the hostages and the Palestinian civilians that getting caught up in this today. Which I do incidentally attribute mainly to what too place on 7/10.

I cannot see an other way of the immediate civilian deaths halting other than the hostages being handed back.

If that does not happen the killings will definitely continue. If the hostages are handed back there is a chance it will stop. Hamas will be the decision makers in this case.
 
Nice piece too. Thank you.

I don't mean to offend or appear disingenuous by referring to 7/10 but.....

This is never going to be resolved by trying to right all the wrongs that have taken place down through history and if it was to eventually be resolved by going back in time it would be a very long drawn out solution.

My major concern is for the hostages and the Palestinian civilians that getting caught up in this today. Which I do incidentally attribute mainly to what too place on 7/10.

I cannot see an other way of the immediate civilian deaths halting other than the hostages being handed back.

If that does not happen the killings will definitely continue. If the hostages are handed back there is a chance it will stop. Hamas will be the decision makers in this case.
Forgive me, but I fully expected you to be the first to respond.
I don’t know you from Adam, so will treat you with the same respect I offer to any others in the political threads that I know I don’t see eye to eye with.

I don’t share your trust or vision of what would transpire in Israel/Gaza/West Bank if the hostages were handed over. I fully accept they should be, but don’t accept where the fault lies that they haven’t been.

I don’t believe Netanyahu gives s flying fnck about the hostages’ return.
They suit his agenda.
 
Forgive me, but I fully expected you to be the first to respond.
I don’t know you from Adam, so will treat you with the same respect I offer to any others in the political threads that I know I don’t see eye to eye with.

I don’t share your trust or vision of what would transpire in Israel/Gaza/West Bank if the hostages were handed over. I fully accept they should be, but don’t accept where the fault lies that they haven’t been.

I don’t believe Netanyahu gives s flying fnck about the hostages’ return.
They suit his agenda.

Neither did the spokesperson for the hostages.

April 2024. Times of israel:

"‘No doubt’ Netanyahu preventing hostage deal, charges ex-spokesman of Families Forum"

"How do you explain Netanyahu’s ostensible lack of effort to bring the hostages home?

“The main reason is conflict of interest. He knows that the moment the hostages are released, Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben Gvir will leave the government because they’ll think the price was too high.” (Finance Minister Smotrich, leader of the Religious Zionism party, and National Security Minister Ben Gvir, head of the Otzma Yehudit party, are far-right leaders essential to Netanyahu’s coalition and have been pushing for stronger military action in Gaza.)

“There is no doubt that Netanyahu is preventing a deal. Netanyahu knows that if he goes to elections at this time he won’t be able to form a new government, and he is motivated by cold political considerations.”


Anyone who still thinks this is about hostages needs to start reading up and do it quickly. Dozens of children are being blown to pieces on a daily basis since israel blew the 'ceasefire' and slaughtered hundreds of people four days ago after already violating the ceasefire hundreds of times and cutting off food, water, and electricity to 2 million human beings
 
Neither did the spokesperson for the hostages.

April 2024. Times of israel:

"‘No doubt’ Netanyahu preventing hostage deal, charges ex-spokesman of Families Forum"

"How do you explain Netanyahu’s ostensible lack of effort to bring the hostages home?

“The main reason is conflict of interest. He knows that the moment the hostages are released, Bezalel Smotrich and Itamar Ben Gvir will leave the government because they’ll think the price was too high.” (Finance Minister Smotrich, leader of the Religious Zionism party, and National Security Minister Ben Gvir, head of the Otzma Yehudit party, are far-right leaders essential to Netanyahu’s coalition and have been pushing for stronger military action in Gaza.)

“There is no doubt that Netanyahu is preventing a deal. Netanyahu knows that if he goes to elections at this time he won’t be able to form a new government, and he is motivated by cold political considerations.”


Anyone who still thinks this is about hostages needs to start reading up and do it quickly. Dozens of children are being blown to pieces on a daily basis since israel blew the 'ceasefire' and slaughtered hundreds of people four days ago after already violating the ceasefire hundreds of times and cutting off food, water, and electricity to 2 million human beings

That is accurate.

One other information on Netanyahu and the 3 members of the government and Knesset, and this is based on the compelling conclusion from the Israelis who have been voicing out loud the past few days by their tens of thousands in their march and protest in Tel Aviv and Haifa, is that Netanyahu and 3 members of the government/Knesset is recently receiving finance from the main funders of Hamas, a clandestine residing within Qatar.

This compelling info is based on what the tens and thousands of Israelis found from insider intel that Netanyahu and a select few are getting money for the government to remain hostile with Palestine.

The Israelis want Netanyahu out as he is a dictator that goes against the values of Israel and Judaism, who have been dividing Israel to instill disunity.

If anyone needs more info, ask from Israelis who are protesting against Netanyahu, the same tens and thousands of Israelis who want a two-state solution and equal Israel Palestine rights as soon as possible.

Given that this is unfolding developments within Israel itself, it makes sense why Netanyahu has fired the head of Israel Security Agency, but the judiciary prevents that.

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There are other videos, but most in Hebrew.
 
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Probably like yourself not very well at all. Me personally, regardless of which side I happened to be on (people in the main don't choose their side they are born into it) I would want it to stop! If releasing the 7/10 hostages might stand a chance of realising this then I, again regardless of which side I was on, then I would want the hostages released.

Even if the hostages are the only thing preventing israel from blowing up Gaza and everyone in it?

 
That is accurate.

One other information on Netanyahu and the 3 members of the government and Knesset, and this is based on the compelling conclusion from the Israelis who have been voicing out loud the past few days by their tens of thousands in their march and protest in Tel Aviv and Haifa, is that Netanyahu and 3 members of the government/Knesset is recently receiving finance from the main funders of Hamas, a clandestine residing within Qatar.

This compelling info is based on what the tens and thousands of Israelis found from insider intel that Netanyahu and a select few are getting money for the government to remain hostile with Palestine.

The Israelis want Netanyahu out as he is a dictator that goes against the values of Israel and Judaism, who have been dividing Israel to instill disunity.

If anyone needs more info, ask from Israelis who are protesting against Netanyahu, the same tens and thousands of Israelis who want a two-state solution and equal Israel Palestine rights as soon as possible.

Given that this is unfolding developments within Israel itself, it makes sense why Netanyahu has fired the head of Israel Security Agency, but the judiciary prevents that.

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There are other videos, but most in Hebrew.


This snapshot of headlines suggests that Israel could well be on the path to tearing itself apart regardless of anything thing else.

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Ilan Pappe describes this as the State of Israel v the State of Judea.
Sadly he doesn't share your optimism that it can be seen as that much of a net gain in terms of Palestinian rights and also holding back these darker forces.

A first indicator is the fracturing of Israeli Jewish society. At present it is composed of two rival camps which are unable to find common ground. The rift stems from the anomalies of defining Judaism as nationalism. While Jewish identity in Israel has sometimes seemed little more than a subject of theoretical debate between religious and secular factions, it has now become a struggle over the character of the public sphere and the state itself. This is being fought not only in the media but also in the streets.

One camp can be termed the ‘State of Israel’. It comprises more secular, liberal and mostly but not exclusively middle-class European Jews and their descendants, who were instrumental in establishing the state in 1948 and remained hegemonic within it until the end of the last century. Make no mistake, their advocacy of ‘liberal democratic values’ does not affect their commitment to the apartheid system which is imposed, in various ways, on all Palestinians living between the Jordan River and the Mediterranean Sea. Their basic wish is for Jewish citizens to live in a democratic and pluralist society from which Arabs are excluded.

The other camp is the ‘State of Judea’, which developed among the settlers of the occupied West Bank. It enjoys increasing levels of support within the country and constitutes the electoral base that secured Netanyahu’s victory in the November 2022 elections. Its influence in the upper echelons of the Israeli army and security services is growing exponentially. The State of Judea wants Israel to become a theocracy that stretches over the entirety of historical Palestine. To achieve this, it is determined to reduce the number of Palestinians to a bare minimum, and it is contemplating the construction of a Third Temple in place of al-Aqsa. Its members believe this will enable them to renew the golden era of the Biblical Kingdoms. For them, secular Jews are as heretical as the Palestinians if they refuse to join in this endeavour.

The two camps had begun to clash violently before October 7. For the first few weeks after the assault, they appeared to shelve their differences in the face of a common enemy. But this was an illusion. The street fighting has reignited, and it is difficult to see what could possibly bring about reconciliation. The more likely outcome is already unfolding before our eyes. More than half a million Israelis, representing the State of Israel, have left the country since October, an indication that the country is being engulfed by the State of Judea. This is a political project that the Arab world, and perhaps even the world at large, will not tolerate in the long term
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Is this the first time an Oscar winning director has been lynched, and then kidnapped by the army after invading his ambulance in which he was being treated!? Can you imagine if that happened to Steven Spielberg!? Normal service in the West Bank and gaza

Apparently a video of the mob that lynched the Oscar winning director

 
Is this the first time an Oscar winning director has been lynched, and then kidnapped by the army after invading his ambulance in which he was being treated!? Can you imagine if that happened to Steven Spielberg!? Normal service in the West Bank and gaza

Apparently a video of the mob that lynched the Oscar winning director


Is this not too dissimilar to what happened on 7/10?.... Murders and kidnappings?

Not for one second advocating what has happened here but it looks very much like tit for tat type tactics - which again I do not support.
 
Is this not too dissimilar to what happened on 7/10?.... Murders and kidnappings?

Not for one second advocating what has happened here but it looks very much like tit for tat type tactics - which again I do not support.
I'd have thought after killing 50,000 people, displacing far more, and turning Gaza into rubble, they might have had enough tit.
 
Is this not too dissimilar to what happened on 7/10?.... Murders and kidnappings?

Not for one second advocating what has happened here but it looks very much like tit for tat type tactics - which again I do not support.
No it really isn't the same and this is one of the myths that is so prevalent meaning endless conflict. The facts are (I'm not trying to be condescending here) but since the creation of Israel in 1948, Palestinian land has been taken on an ongoing basis and Palestinians displaced, occupied and denied justice. The Israel land confiscation has been declared illegal on multiple occasions by the UN but of course supported and funded by America.
So you have Palestinian resistance (some funded by Iran) and the attempts to reach a political solution have failed and therefore there is a vacuum which Hamas have filled. And a tragic result is the massacre of 7 Oct.
But what the settlers and IDF have done is essentially what they have been doing for years.
So it's not tit for tat between 2 equal sides, it is an ongoing war crime and crimes against humanity by a nation state with vast resources against an armed terrorist group arising from a bedraggled people.
If you have been into the refugee camps, you would know it is not as dimple as you make out
 
Is this not too dissimilar to what happened on 7/10?.... Murders and kidnappings?

Not for one second advocating what has happened here but it looks very much like tit for tat type tactics - which again I do not support.
Yet again you parrot 7/10.
Perhaps I'm on ignore...... but you never reply.
Your 7/10 is one day.
For a Palestinian it's every day.
 

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