PL charge City for alleged breaches of financial rules

halfcenturyup said:
As far as I can tell, it's irrelevant. All the talk around who this Mohammed guy is, that is, not @slbsn 's post, which is interesting.

The fundamentals of the transaction and how it's accounted for don't really change even if the shadowy, mysterious Person X turned out to be Mansour himself .....

Imho.
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I think the question is more about if Jaber Mohammed is closely related to the Etisalat chairman, is it good or bad. I'd say, I have no idea. It could be relevant or totally irrelevant. It is relevant if someone has outright lied because it looks quite easy to find out the truth and none of it was hidden it seems.

I know HCU knows this, but Person X was not mysterious. It was simply a redaction in the CAS decision due to time barring. UEFA knew who X was. The innuendo on X appears unfair to me.
 


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@David_Ornstein
on #ManCity’s 115 charges judgment: “People have been saying things like ‘imminent’, ‘this week’, ‘tomorrow’ for ages now, and that shows most of us simply don’t know - probably only a small number involved in the process do.“As I and others have reported previously, the expectation at
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has been ‘spring’ and if that’s the case, we’re into that. However, it’d also mean we might be waiting until late June! Plus, as long as we don’t have anything firm from the Premier League, City or other parties privy to the matter, it’s largely speculation and perhaps subject to change.“Another thing we don’t know is the nature of the announcement. So, will the verdict be as black and white as many are anticipating? Could it be an anti-climax? How much detail will there be to sift through? What are the next steps? Will there be appeals, and if the answer to that is yes, how long could they take?“You suspect this process is nowhere near finished yet…”
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Damocles said:
I'm not joking or being facetious here, but the problem that UEFA, the PL and the press have essentially boil down to this. They dont know who is who and put Western values onto a non Western culture that doesn't adhere to them
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They choose not to understand the values so that they don’t have to honour them. It’s like the attitude of sports washing away their sins rather than trying to increase their visibility & avoid being ethnically cleansed.
 
halfcenturyup said:
Don't worry.

A verdict would only be early if many of the allegations had been thrown out, which was never likely to happen, in which case the award could be relatively short. That was always a long shot.

It was always much more likely that the verdict would take 3-5 months, and if you take a lawyers' Christmas break into account, we are just about entering that period now.

It could come next week, or it could come in two months. Nothing to do but wait, but it isn't a sign of anything other than the panel being thorough in the hearing and in the deliberation and publication of the award.

Imho.
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I always thought that a delayed verdict suggested bad news, necessitated by lengthy discussions about the severity of punishments. Now I’m hoping that it’s simply that the Panel’s report will be several hundred pages long and will take time to author, print, proof read, review etc.

I also hadn’t realised until recently that any appeal wouldn’t be a rerun of the case but would require the appellant to prove that the original decision was manifestly unfair. That would seem to centre on identifying flaws in the written judgment. From the Panel’s viewpoint it seems essential that the written verdict is watertight. Which will take time
 
Damocles said:
The UAE wouldn't exist without Al Suwaidi. When Sheikh Zayed wanted to unite the states, under one Government (mainly through bribery), Al Suwaidi was the guy they sent around to the other leaders with the money and offers. He was considered to have been a huge part of bringing in the smaller non Abu Dhabi/Dubai tribes.

A lot of the information on the history of the UAE and its setup actually comes from places like the CIA. And they generally consider the familial, loyalty and power structures to be completely impenetrable to anybody who isn't an actual member of the UAE ruling class. Nobody understands who works for who, who is powerful and who is just a name or nepotism hire. Who works at where and in what roles. Not Government intelligence agencies, let alone The Athletic.

Their culture is a polygamous society where family honor and duty is considered paramount. As I mentioned at the time, Sheikh Mansour is UAE Vice President as a punishment to the Dubai ruling family for embarrassing the country by needing a financial bailout. Sheikh Mansour has 21 siblings by Western definitions. He has 6 by UAE definitions. Though if any of the remaining 15 were to embarass themselves then it would be the fault of the UAE President (the head of the 7) who doesn't consider them family in the way we do and would be a major scandal. They're more akin to how we would view distant cousins.

The relationship between the current head of the Al Suwaidis and the current head of the Al Nahyan families (MBZ) is a much more "influential" one on the UAE Presidency than one of MBZ's brothers (in the 15) on MBZ. That doesn't make sense to Western ideas, how can some guy your Dad knew have more influence over you than your own brother?

These stories don't mean anything because there's about 4 families in Abu Dhabi (well, 1 and 2 quarters I guess) who own anything and they're all inter married. This how we get shit like this and the "Man City paid Michael Oliver" nonsense. It's impossible to do any sort of business in the entire UAE without being able to link it to anybody else in the UAE.
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Excellent points as always, and I would suggest these blurred lines between families and companies are also carried over into the business world over there on the basis, at the end of the day, of complete trust.

Which is why it seems to be normal for state agency payments to be aggregated centrally and passed to the various creditors and debtors in total, to be allocated properly on receipt. Hell, I wouldn't even be surprised if the individuals handling Mansour's private wealth are the same as those handling the state's wealth.

I can't help thinking a lot of problems the club currently have are just related to the use of UAE business practices in the early years between UAE sponsors (and their funding agencies) and ADUG / the club. Hence the occasional email from the club's FD to people in Abu Dhabi asking for separate payments to be made for each sponsor, for example. Sounds suspicious to western ears, but in Abu Dhabi they were probably thinking "why do they need that?"

I can imagine it was all pretty complicated to follow from a western, very precise bookkeeping point of view. A clash of cultures, if you will.
 
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nmc said:
I don’t seem to recall too many articles about Bayern Munich where their owners and sponsors seem to all sit on the Advisory Board. Where are the Athletic with that one?
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I'd take it one step further and suggest that (by and large) since the rules for sharing gate receipts were abolished in the early 80s, the clubs with the most money have usually been the most dominant.

Initially this was just generally accepted and even Blackburn's moment in the sun was treated as a good news story, essentially because everyone knew that it could never be sustained

The expansion of the Champions League had created a self perpetuating cycle of wealth, and looking back, it was obvious that other clubs (with larger potential than Blackburn) were always going to attract some serious financial clout.

The rags all sneered, but their "organic growth" had been based around share certificates that might prove lucrative for canny investors but could equally prove amusingly disastrous for the club if those share certificates fell into the wrong hands.

it was predicted by the Football Finance Expert Alex Flynn almost 20 Years ago and the rags ignored him

Every rule that's been introduced since 2008 has been introduced for one purpose only.
To rewind the clock to the mid 90s.

FUCK EM!
 
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