President Trump

BlueRodent said:
As fellow members of NATO, the UK should be condemning him for this, not cowering in the corner frightened to speak. As for Canada, they are one of our closest Commonwealth member, yet not one of our major politicians (unless I've missed it) has come out and told him to do one!
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The **** is looking for any excuse to walk away from NATO, and the rest of the members aren’t yet ready to go it alone without the US. So everyone’s got to tread carefully. At some point he will more than likely announce the US is leaving NATO and everyone else will be doing what they can to prepare for this but it’s not a good idea to speed up the process by telling him some home truths, much as it would go down well in the short term.
 
west didsblue said:
The **** is looking for any excuse to walk away from NATO, and the rest of the members aren’t yet ready to go it alone without the US. So everyone’s got to tread carefully. At some point he will more than likely announce the US is leaving NATO and everyone else will be doing what they can to prepare for this but it’s not a good idea to speed up the process by telling him some home truths, much as it would go down well in the short term.
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If Europe is ready then NATO disintegrating will ultimately be a blessing so we don’t get dragged into some conflict with China.
 
BlueRodent said:
Why isn't anyone from the UK calling Trump out on this (same with all the nonsense about Annexing Canada). Are so frightened of upsetting the orange ****?
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I agree. I'm sick of countries saying nothing in support of Panama, Greenland and Canada.
Canada is the the Commonwealth, why is the Prime Minister silent ?
 
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Blue Mist said:
I agree. I'm sick of countries saying nothing in support of Panama, Greenland and Greenland.
Canada is the the Commonwealth, why is the Prime Minister silent ?
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To be fair, he is only UK PM, but I agree that doing nothing just fuels Trump's ego and reinforces MAGA belief that their leader is all-powerful, and Europe is a random 'country', whatever that means.

I just want everything to go utterly tits-up, but really soon so that there is time to recover.

I'd take any 'victory' at the moment, for instance I'd love to see Musk and Trump fall out, surely only a matter of time with those egos. How could he then justify the Doge cuts, whilst calling Musk 'the worst businessman in history, who never made a good decision in his life!' or similar?
 
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roubaixtuesday said:
He doesn't need to.

He can ignore the constitution - who will enforce it?

He can have it "interpreted" by judges he appoints for the purpose.

He can stand as VP then have the new president resign.

He can be power behind the throne (eg Putin was nominally prime minister rather than president after running out of time in office, but actually remained in power)

etc etc

Constitutions are only meaningful if the culture of the country supports it. If not, you have Russia - a democratic constitution allowing a murderous dictatorship. This is where the US is currently heading. The constitution per se cannot save them.
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There was a poll last week indicating 84% of Americans, including 80% of Republicans, feel the president should obey a court decision regardless of whether he felt the decision was correct. People in the military, which is the ultimate source of the government's hard power, take an oath to support the Constitution, as do lawyers, law enforcement and others in positions of public trust. So Trump can't just ignore the Constitution or a court order to leave office. He can try, but I suspect he would regret it in short order.
 
west didsblue said:
It really doesn’t matter what Starmer does. You’d criticise him anyway which makes your opinion irrelevant.
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Not if he done something useful like....

Give the WFA back to old people, or,
spell out what he is going to do with the people who land on our shores from France.... because the Border Farce he has created ain't done anything yet.. unless you know different? or,
remove the increased employers NIC's to enable businesses to employ more people and create an environment for growth, or
renationalise the power businesses as opposed to creating another meaningless expensive quango (GB Energy)

There's plenty he could do, but he never seems to do what you'd expect of a socialist left leaning government... he's just a Tory in disguise isn't he? And all his faithful followers fall in behind him, He ain't gonna last long, him Rayner and Reeves will soon be ditched
 
WT86 said:
There was a poll last week indicating 84% of Americans, including 80% of Republicans, feel the president should obey a court decision regardless of whether he felt the decision was correct. People in the military, which is the ultimate source of the government's hard power, take an oath to support the Constitution, as do lawyers, law enforcement and others in positions of public trust. So Trump can't just ignore the Constitution or a court order to leave office. He can try, but I suspect he would regret it in short order.
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That would be an order from the court that said that the nature of Presidential power entitles the President (and a former President) to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. And he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts.

Disobeying a court order is a criminal offence - but he's immune from criminal prosecution if he says disobeying a court is an official act.
 
BigJoe#1 said:
Not if he done something useful like....

Give the WFA back to old people, or,
spell out what he is going to do with the people who land on our shores from France.... because the Border Farce he has created ain't done anything yet.. unless you know different? or,
remove the increased employers NIC's to enable businesses to employ more people and create an environment for growth, or
renationalise the power businesses as opposed to creating another meaningless expensive quango (GB Energy)

There's plenty he could do, but he never seems to do what you'd expect of a socialist left leaning government... he's just a Tory in disguise isn't he? And all his faithful followers fall in behind him, He ain't gonna last long, him Rayner and Reeves will soon be ditched
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Bombing another thread I see.
 
Mr Fraser said:
If trump were to run again would Obama beat him
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I was thinking this. If they are going to change the rules to have more than 2 elected terms then have Obama try again. Doubt he would want to as a now retired gentleman but it would be great to see him come back and do it. That said, the Dems need to find some new leadership. Id love Buttigieg to be it, I think he is a very capable administrator and an innovative thinker. Unfortunately he is a gay man. They cant bring themselves to elect women yet, so its still about 25 years early for the backward fucktards over there
 
WT86 said:
There was a poll last week indicating 84% of Americans, including 80% of Republicans, feel the president should obey a court decision regardless of whether he felt the decision was correct. People in the military, which is the ultimate source of the government's hard power, take an oath to support the Constitution, as do lawyers, law enforcement and others in positions of public trust. So Trump can't just ignore the Constitution or a court order to leave office. He can try, but I suspect he would regret it in short order.
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Like Putin did ?
 
Uncle Wally One Ball said:
I was thinking this. If they are going to change the rules to have more than 2 elected terms then have Obama try again. Doubt he would want to as a now retired gentleman but it would be great to see him come back and do it. That said, the Dems need to find some new leadership. Id love Buttigieg to be it, I think he is a very capable administrator and an innovative thinker. Unfortunately he is a gay man. They cant bring themselves to elect women yet, so its still about 25 years early for the backward fucktards over there
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I think 25 years is being generous. They are 50 years behind the times. No black American will ever be voted president. Unless you are straight, christian and white (orange will do) you haven't got a hope.
 
Vic said:
That would be an order from the court that said that the nature of Presidential power entitles the President (and a former President) to absolute immunity from criminal prosecution for actions within his conclusive and preclusive constitutional authority. And he is entitled to at least presumptive immunity from prosecution for all his official acts.

Disobeying a court order is a criminal offence - but he's immune from criminal prosecution if he says disobeying a court is an official act.
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Being immune from prosecution for certain acts is different from being allowed to continue in office in violation of the Constitution.
 
GreyMatter said:
He can't change the terms because it s prohibited by the Constitution under the 22nd Amendment.
He's trying to pull a sly trick by challenging the wording of the constitution which states that he can't be elected for a third term.
He's said one method in which a third term could be possible is by Vice President JD Vance running for office and then handing the responsibility over to him. He refused to share details on other methods he claims exist.
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It's been said that Trump could run as VP and then the person elected president could resign allowing DT to take over. But that's not possible as the amendment says that no one may be elected VP who is himself ineligible to become president (as Trump currently is.) Then again, maybe his talk of a third term is more "to annoy the libs."

In any case I think Nature will have its way with him before another four years are done.
 
roubaixtuesday said:
Why?

He can just pardon himself for contempt of court.
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Assuming that's correct, it wouldn't prevent the person who actually won the election/is eligible to serve from taking power. You're not president until you're thrown out, you're president until your term ends.
 
WT86 said:
Being immune from prosecution for certain acts is different from being allowed to continue in office in violation of the Constitution.
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Allowed, you say. Who's actually going to say, "Mr President, you are not allowed to do that"? That's definitely working so far.
 
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